It's a rhetorical question exploring the very real possibility of what could happen if we not only exclude immigrants from health care but strip them from obtaining private health insurance. Maybe you don't really understand the consequences enough to understand the question.

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Scapegoats? Thats what you and politicians have turned undocumented immigants into in order to not pass the best health care bill for all Americans. Your accusations are so baseless that they don't even merit a response. 

As an undocumented immigrant, I understand the complexities of getting health insurance far better than you do.

Plus, this is an immigrant rights blog, it will promote immigrant rights. If you don't like that, you can go elsewhere and no one will miss you.

My god, you can't handle any criticism or others opinions. As for the complexities of immigrants and health insurance, I understand it quite well, my wife is an immigrant. Maybe you should quit being the attacker of comments and attempt to actually and factually provide proper information.

Lol, I actually don't care much for what you say LR. But you need to be reminded who is the moderator of this blog and also the fact that this is an immigrant rights blog. As for your wife being an immigrant, that doesn't give you much credibility to speak on any issues regarding congressional legislation. Again, you troll and lurk in the shadows and due to that, your comments have no credibility. I have already addressed your so-called claims in my blogpost and there is no point in repeating it again.

If you don't care much for what I say, then why the tirade and deleting of my comments that you can not refute? I don't really care if you think I am "credible" or not, all I did was answer your projected statement about not knowing the health care dilemma of immigrants. If all you can do is call me a troll, then that doesn't say much for you, does it? As for you being the moderator, OOHH big deal. Is that meant as a threat or a scare tactic? Please keep deleting my comments, it just gives me that much more credibility when others read what you write, simply because you attempt to discredit and attack my person.

Now, back to your topic... Immigrants can by health insurance through private insurers or they can get it through their employer, while Entry Violators and Visa Overstayers can also by health insurance through private insurance.

My tax dollars should not be used to help or reduce the cost for those here as Entry Violators or Visa Overstayers.

If illegal aliens are put out of the bill, that doesn't mean they are going to ER and use our tax dollars. What we can do, we have a great opportunity. If they go to the ER, we call the mexican embassy to take care of them. How can our system be responsible for people that are not even tourists?

The other possibility would be to create an illegal alien insurancr system in which they pay back penalties for violating international laws.

Liquid, deleting replies is a common coward action in these forums, and trying to be non-political, is commonly used by liberals. What I do, I create print screens of my replies, and other fellow American's replies, and post them around the net. These pictures and information goes all the way up to immigration groups and even politicians. They all laugh about the low credibility of these people. Every time a reply or comment is deleted, is because of fear; of fear to the truth; of embarrasment; embarrasment of not being able to handle the reality. It is a shame because of the lies.

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I read an article the other day about a Senator proposing a bill that would send the Governments a bill for their peoples which are here in violation of our immigration laws. Why should we get stuck paying their bills?

We already do pay, why not include everyone in the marketplace of health insurance. It makes econonic sense, given more people would carry the burden.

Right on brother. Americans are slowly waking up, but for sure on the right track.

There are some "idiosyncrasy" details about Americans, that illegal aliens and other immigrants don't know. And is, you better never mess with an American. lol. We've seen mexican flags waving in Washington D.C., we've seen burnt American flags on American soil, we've seen invasion propaganda from terrorist latino groups, crimes against Americans, etc....keep all that in mind. Don't forget about it; why? because Americans NEVER FORGET. Once you wake up this monster, all hell brake lose, and there's no way to run or hide.

We, the people, will make justice. No foreign flags, no spanish radio and tv, this is The United States. Each one of the illegal aliens, and the legal latino cowards that exploit them, come here voluntarily; nobody is forced to come here. Yall know before hand that this country speaks English; and has its own flag. Take it or leave it. If you don't like it, go to spain, or whatever. Here, the country WILL be respected. Period.

How in the world helathcare can be a human right???? how do you explain that?? Life, is a right. Persue of hapiness is a right; liberty, is a right. Why? because they are personal care and achievements!! Healthcare, is your own right as long as does not involve other people. Th moment you expect to have services to take care on you, you are invading other's freedom. In order to have care on you, you have to pay for it; and the more you pay, the better the service. That is called a privilege. It is your own reward for your success.

Universal healthcare is disgusting; it is ludacris, and evil idea created by communist snakes.

Health, is personal. Care, is a privilege, NOT a right. Period.

Krystal, I think everybody can sympathize with your statments to a degree, but let me ask you a couple of simple questions.

1) Do you provide physician/medical services for free?

2) Do you receive a paycheck?

3) Do you think you should be paid only a set wage, like say $10.00 per hour with only a 40 hour week for your knowledge?

4) Do you think the Government should be paying you or should the person receiving the service pay you?

5) As it is right now, every person, adult or child, receives medical attention if they are poor and can not afford the services. No hospital emergency room can deny them. If you are talking about specific services, such as mental illness, etc., there are state programs that they can apply for. So exactly what services are you referring to?

One thing I'd really like to know is how undocumented aliens can buy health insurance privately when insurance companies require a social security number?  Undocumented aliens don't have one unless they get a phony one.

Bingo!! We have a winner. Not all health insurance providers/companies require a SS#. And, as you stated, those who are working, have obtained an SS# in one way or another. Immigrants can and should have health insurance in their countries of origin, which they should inform their provider that they are going out of country and to verify that their coverage will be following them. If they don;t have it, they can also add it to their policy in their home country while they are out of country. They then are covered during their non-immigrant stay here.

Those that become visa overstayers are taking their own chance with their health and in so doing place the burden on us as taxpayers, unless they continue their insurance policy in their country of origin. If they don't, then maybe we should deport them and charge their countries of origin the fees?

Those that come here as Entry Violators, can not and probably do not care if they have health insurance. Most I have known prefer to pay their bill at a health clinic when they use it when they are sick.

My only crime is loving a man who isn't rich enough to buy his way in to the US and I'm not rick enough to buy his way in either.  Sure, we could fake some papers and break several other laws, but we'd rather not.  All we want is to live in peace legally.  What awful people we must be in the eyes of some of you.

That statement contradicts this statement you made: What I don't understand is keeping out people who are not sick, have not committed any crimes,

Your not awful people in the eyes of anybody, but what you do need to realize is that there are rules in place for a reason, and that Love is all about sacrifice. Are you willing to sacrifice everything for your husband if he has to go back to his country of origin? Are you willing to go with him wherever that may be?

Why I'm bother to reply to you is beyond me.  I'll chalk it up to exhaustion and pain fumes (painting my living room).  You don't know anything about what either of us has sacrificed thus far, so asking me what I'm willing to secrifice for my husband is absurd.  Am I willing to go with him back to the UK? Yes, I am.  Can I legally? No.  Why? Because it's a money game and though I work two jobs, we don't have the kind of money it takes to buy our way into eitehr country. 

He broke no laws in his native country. I've broken none here save for marrying an undocumented person. That in itself is not a crime, but well, you get where I'm going.  If not, I'll spell it out for you.  Being here undocumented is his only crime.  My only crime is knowing it and not caring.  

I understand rules very well.  I used to feel quite differently about undocumented aliens, then I realized how much money it costs to become legal. If one doesn't have a high-paying job waiting for them in their new home country or a rich relative or friend willing to sponsor them, forget it.  Every time we get money together to start the process, we end up having to go back to square one because the old papers expired.  It's a huge mess and one I don't wish upon anyone.  Would I sacrifice my marriage to him just to keep xenophobes happy? No, I would not.  I will not divorce him and send him back to the UK just because we can't afford all the paperwork he needs. 

Now, I ask you this.  What is so god-awfully wrong with allowing him and others like him to work and pay their taxes and actually contribute to this economy and this society?  What is so god-awfully wrong with allowing people who genuinely want to be here and become citizens from doing so without tacking on a huge price tag?  My husband would work at Wal-Mart or McDonalds if he were allowed.  He'd do any job given to him and pay his taxes just like I do, but because I don't have $2,500 lying around for work papers, he can't.  Oh, and then there's the $300 for a physical because you can only go to certain doctors on the approved list.  Then there's the $1,5000 for some other form nobody ever reads, then there's the fact that I have to make over $50,000 per year or I can't be his sponsor despite the fact that we live without government aid and I make less than that.  Then, there's the risk you take if you happen to fill out the forms wrong and they get rejected, that starts things all over from the word go and you pay the fees again.  So, you might as well add in lawyer fees of upwards of $3,000. 

Now, I could pay out of my wages to insure him, where's the wrong in that?  I'm paying the premium, not the taxpayers or my employer or the guy down the street.  Me, out of my own pocket.  So, again, why can't I do that.  I'm sorry but you're talking out of your posterior about insurance in their countries of origin. That expires and renewing it isn't easy, it's almost impossible in fact.  I tried, so I know.  It's not as simple as those who think it's a cakewalk to be legal in this country make it out to be.  If you care, talk to someobdy who lives it every day.  Hell, talk to me.  I live it, I'm scared most days and I can't imagine what would happen should he be forced to go back.  Our lives are not easy nor are they financed off the backs of hardworking citizens.  I'm hardworking (too hardworking actually).  Take a moment and learn from some of the people who seriously want to be tax paying Americans like you and I what it's actually like when one tries to do it the right way.  Would I change anything?  A few things.I'd change perceptions of immigrants for starters.  You see, every time I say my husband is an immigrant, people think he's either Hispanic or Middle Eastern. He's neither.  I'd change the system that sees immigration as a money making venture. I'd change the hard road we chose if I could. I wouldn't dump him and I wouldn't buy fake papers because that to me is just not the solution to the problem.  So, what is so horribly wrong with what I and others like me have done?  My husband is not a murderer or a rapist or a drug dealer or a terrorist.  He's just a man who had not much money who fell in love with a woman who had not much money.  I could have married a poor American and nobody would have batted an eyelash. Marry a poor foreign man and oh boy. Sorry to ramble paint fumes again.