Dave,

For the record: I do not appreciate being "outed" by this fellow, especially after I have specifically asked him to leave me alone. And I do not enjoy being followed around from site to site by a self-professed white nationalist, as he had no shame in saying on Dee's site.  Now, I have just realized that I have used this picture once before: on my Wordpress blog.  That was the blog he followed me to after I told him that he was making me afraid by his efforts to google information about me in order to figure out my identity. So, this is how he knows that it's me.  The only reason I use a pseudonym here is because I am uncomfortable about being followed by this guy (or his white nationalist friends).  I've already told him that I have no intention of debating him, and I've done a good job of resisting all his attempts to bait me.  He has no right to "out" me, reveal my identity to others or try to ferret out information about me.  He has done this to Mary, too, when he revealed her place of employment. I truly appreciate the difficult task you have of monitoring comments, but this is unacceptable behavior.

 (Don't make me have to point it all out and make you look foolish for indulging in fallacies.)

Oh!! I wouldn't want to do that! and put all the people here on change.org through a debate on something that has nothing to do with immigration reform just for the sake of you trying to make yourself look smart. I finally realised why you are against the undocumented. You are obsessed with you argument and proving that you are right. I honestly believe if you really thought about immigration rationally you might actually jump on the pro-side. Why oppose something just because you always oposed it. You know...you could change always change your mind. Its not too late to change.

Of course the pro side of this issue isn't obessed with their side of the argument, right?

One could say the same thing for the pro side also, if they really thought about "illegal" immigration rationally they might actually jump to the anti-side.   Why agree with something just because you always agreed with it?   It isn't too late for them to change their mind either.   Touche!

The U.S. has and should continue to have fair quotas from all countries across the world because there many immigrants in other countries that have more of the skills we need.   Just because Mexico and Canada are our neighbors shouldn't give them higher quotas.   Immigration should be fair to all while keeping in mind the skills we need to make our country prosper.  Importing more poverty stricken people with little to no skills will not accomplish that.

The only reason why anyone would shift opinion would be that they see a sense of urgency in our country to CHANGE different policy's. Immigration reform is one of the many issues that need reform amongst Healthcare, Banks, Job creation. etc, etc. The only reason why our President has put it on hold is because he has such a mess to deal with and Immigration is not considered priority to the vast majority of Americans but polls show that 63% of us want reform on this issue and that includes a path to citizenship.

I would think you would toy with the idea that you might have the wrong solution on CIR because the vast majority of Americans do not agree with your side. The undocumented have been exposed to all kinds of negative rhetoric on this issue and Americans see through that. They see this as a mean spirited attempt to dodge the real solution to a problem.

The US needs to have a more reasonable legal quota so that people do not come through our borders and they can review who comes in. We are allowed to go into Mexico and Canada when we want. I don't know about you but I think it makes sense to make our policys neighbor friendly first and our policys should not be compared to another nations quotas. We are the US and the principles of our founding fathers drastically differ from the principals from all other nations. A nation of Immigrants is how we build ourselves to be the best in the world when it came to production and skills but to restrict a legal immigration system is dangerous when it comes to prosperity. Neighbors should be given priority (they are your neighbors and you know what happens when you treat your neighbors badly.) If you want to make a fair comparison you might look at Canada and our neighbor friendly policys and then look at Mexico and compare what years and years of not so nice treatment; look at the results and the multitude of problems that came out of it. Mexico has been exploited for cheap labor.

Skills: The dream children have lots of skills and they are being held back. (Does this make sense for America?)

Importing poverty stricken People: Funny you say that but aren't many of those Dream kids their children.

*Your ancestors came here to escape poverty and wanting their children to have a better life...they became educated and provided the US with skill.

We also obviously needed those impoverished people in our country because there labor was needed; the job brought them here to begin with. What is debatable is: "should these jobs stay in American or should they be outsourced?"

Also, it is transparent that politicians are using Immigration Reform as a wedge issue to rally up voters. This does not help Republicans because religious groups tend to split because when they see family's get split up. Family values is a Republican philosophy.

It also does not help the Democrats with Hispanics when the issue is ignored and pushed to the back burner but if the Republican party block it...(lets say late fall or in the summer) the Democrats will use it as a wedge issue to expand voter registration with Hispanics. This issue will energise the Democratic base in get out the vote.

Once this happens the senate will be able to pass the bill with ease in 2011 (and that will be a liberal bill) and your side gets way less than what you were trying to bargain for.

Again, skewered polls mean nothing.   For every poll provided by the pro side the anti side can produce a poll with opposite  results depending on how the questions are asked.  I actually don't give hoot about polls from either side though, I know what the pulse is in America on this subject.

As I have stated before I base my views on the rule of law and common sense.   Rule of law isn't on the side of the pro's and neither is common sense.  At least not common sense for how this is and will be affecting Americans and this country as a whole with yet another amnesty.   All the pro's have is emotionalism and a leftist agenda.  There is nothing mean spirited about having and enforcing our immigration laws.

Talk about putting the cart before the horse.   Making blanket statements that just because these people are here that must mean we need them and should increase our quotas is not based on an factual evidence.   I would only be willing to go along with increasing our quotas if there is a government research done proving that we need more.   In the meantime e-verify needs to be implemented so that we start from scratch again and either hire Americans or legal immigrants who are waiting iin their countries to come here.

The whole world is our neighbors.   Geographics shouldn't enter into the picture.   Afterall, when the first immigrants came they came from all over the world.   Why should today be any different?

Most of our ancestors came here legally.  One doesn't have a right to migrate illegally for a better life.

(Again, skewered polls mean nothing.)

It depends what polls you are looking at. Pew poll is accurate. If you want to lean the poll in your direction you could subtract up to 10% in your direction and that would mean 53% of Americans are on the pro-side and that is (solid.) but my guess is that the 63% is accurate give or take a few points in either direction. It doesn't matter what your opinion; the poll does not change and like I said you might you are probably going to end up with alot less than what you are bargaining for.

These people are here and the majority have been here for up to 20 years or more. I know a man that has been living in bondage for 26 years now in our country. He has turned to the Evangelical church and has become radical in his religious beliefs. Is this what you want in America? Do you want to turn people into obsessed radicals?

If the government is using Immigration as a wedge issue you might see those quotas when the issue comes to the plate when it is used to register more democrats and to get out the vote on the senate race. We will see what happens?

E-verify? Start from scratch without the undocumented on their path to citizenship? Letting more Europeans in? Don't hold your breath. It's all a wedge issue and if you want more of your friends to come....Well use your imagination and compromise????

The whole world is our neighbor but when you contantly evalute it and its immigration quotas based on dark racial skin retrictions and define immigrants with words such as legal and illegal you start to tick alot of people off because they see through the rhetoric and the mean spirit that you have.

Do you know what the TN visa is Mary? Its a "special" visa just for Mexicans and Canadians to come to the USA. no other country in the world has that opportunity. Mexico receives the second largest amount of visas into the USA yearly. The H-2A visa will allow as many needed to enter and work as our farmers need, but even that is changing.

Farming jobs being picked clean by U.S. residents

Farmers can use what's called the H-2A program to recruit foreign workers to do temporary or seasonal work here in the U.S.

From July to September of 2008, there were 171 H2-A jobs posted. Thirty-nine Americans applied for those positions.

The very next quarter, in the final three months of 2008, 887 Americans applied for the 981 H-2A available. And as unemployment jumped at the beginning of 2009, so did applications from Americans; 1,799 applied for 726 jobs. That means instead of the jobs being filled by foreign or migrant workers, they are mostly going to U.S. residents.

"A lot of the American workers are now applying for farm jobs that maybe they may not have applied for in the past," said Olga Ruiz, state monitor advocate with the Colorado Department of Labor and Employment. "People who started out in agriculture or even field labor who got out of that field maybe went into construction or other types of work, who maybe got laid off for whatever reason, decided they wanted to go back to farm work, because it's a paycheck and they need it."

Condon posted two farm hand positions on Craigslist in April. He said he had to turn people away. Thirty-eight people applied.

So OK Micro...then go ahead and advocate detaining the husbands and wives that are married to US citizens that have their roots planted in our country. Is it their fault that the economy stinks? My guess is that you will google, copy, past and post some rhetoric to try to support an argument that is ridiculous.

If the jobs aren't available then that solves the Border problem doesn't it? Got Border Security? and do you really need it anymore. It looks like the people that you oppose so much aren't going to want to come to our country anyway and it also looks like all those other foreigners that you claim want to come to our so called "desirable" country aren't going to want to come either. Last thing I've heard is they are being forced to stay. Pretty soon we are going to have to pay them to stay because some of those country's in Central America aren't all that bad. Costa Rica...seems to be one that should start throwing Americans out of.

Hopefully our Dream kids are going to save the day because people like you have a burnt out bulb in their head when it comes to fixing the problems in our country that the crony's you advocate for caused.

Again, you need to stop blaming the immigrants for this worldwide economic crisis and start looking at your bank criminal "cronys."

Schehera, Please pick me up a light bulb for Micro...His is burnt out and we desperately need to replace it.

*Please do not pick up the obsessive google, paste, copy and post light bulb....They are entirely overpriced and lack sensible information or innovation.

He removed a Rooselvelt Act. It was called the Glass Segal. It was a mistake but at the time the US had a 300 billion dollar surplus and the economy was growing at an incredible rate and the Republican congress passed and cheered it on.

What part of being a Democrat defines you? You are not a Democrat. I do not like what Bill Clinton did but you have to take it in reference to the time. And...let's not forget the tax cut that was given in the last 8 years. Who put us into the federal deficit.

Acorn is a voter registration issue that has no proof behind it. I am amazed that you find registration for poor people offensive...being that you claim you are a democrat. "God forbid" if we had too many people in our country voting. What a problem "populiar will".

*It looks like you think your vote is more important then anyone's vote in this country.

(Again, show where I have blamed the "Illegal Aliens" for any of what happened.)

I tried to believe that you just simply opposed the immigration issue and then I asked myself again and again why you would because you seem to blame the undocumented for ever problem on the face of this country. You never stop! I agree with all the others that post on this site....that you are a racist. It's so obvious! and you should really be embarressed about it.

Many of times you have blamed the undocumented for taking jobs from Americans. This is so untrue. They had worked these jobs when no one else wanted them. Now you are posting your silly stuff about craiglists.

The truth is Americans for the most part still do not want those stinky jobs. If I had a choice between working one of those stinky jobs or collecting unemployment for the next 2 years...I'd gladly collect the unemployment.

(Grow up and grow a pair)

If your way of debateing an issue defines what morals and ethics should be than I'm glad the majority of people don't have a pair of what you think they all ought to have.

If your the only man on earth that has a pair of those left "the way you just defined them to be" then I prefer to live a life in celibacy forever.

An imaginary "ken" would be better then "a pair of yours."

It is simply amazing to me how someone can claim statements made about other's posts in here that were never made.  Did anyone read where I said I wanted more white Europoean immigrants?  Nope!  Not a word about that at all.   I don't care what country or race an immigrant is from or what color their skin is.   I just want immigration to be fair to all interested immigrants and for them to come here legally.   My views on our immigration policies as far as fair quotas and not discriminating are exactly what our policies as a country are!!!

There are  very few jobs that an American won't do for a fair wage for those they won't do we should be importing legal immigrants but the employers find it cheaper to hire illegal workers instead.    We need to put an end to this corruption and e-verify would put and end to their unlawful hiring practices along with fining and jailing them if they don't comply.