Nobody is denying them the American Dream. To become a citizen, English is a requirement, it should be their responsibilty to learn it and pay for it. Anybody who works here pays taxes, your excuse is pointless. The 15% you speak of benefits them on the backs of the US Taxpayer. The little additional in taxes, again is pointless.

because it's the right thing to do. by who's idealogy? If this is your answer than, I don't agree.

My Father born in 1916 of Swedish & Norwegian parents arrived in Portland, Oregon speaking only his native language with no formal education. He was five years old with a brother seven years old. They were enrolled in public school and they had to learn English by total immersion as did the millions of European immigrants who entered the USA.  My grandparents learned to speak English by reading the Oregonian Newspaper.  No one has ever explained why the US taxpayer has to pay for ESL in schools and for adults.  Why can't they learn English just like the millions of European immigrants?

You couldn't be more wrong.  Most new immigrants do care to learn English and they make Herculean efforts to do so, considering the long hours they generally work.  They do some of the hardest work for the lowest pay in some of the most dangerous jobs.  Most Americans refuse to do these jobs for such meager pay, and the immigrants do pay their fair share of taxes for the most part.  As a teacher, I do not distinguish between students who are legal or undocumented.  I see human beings with potential.  These students are a cultural asset to our society in an increasingly globalized world.  We have as much to learn from them as we have to teach -- that is, if could learn to grow beyond bigotry and intolerance.

They do some of the hardest work for the lowest pay in some of the most dangerous jobs.

Why is that?

Most Americans refuse to do these jobs for such meager pay

Some of the most dangerous jobs? Americans refuse to do these jobs for meager pay? I suspect you are doing nothing more than spouting rhetoric here. Dangerous jobs require safety programs and safe working conditions, which in turn demands higher pay and costs. Why should a citizen risk their life for meager pay in non-safe working conditions?

The most dangerous job in America is coal mining, almost entirely performed by Americans.  Second comes the Marine Corps., though they are not currently operating in the US.

A  cooking job can be dangerous if you don't know how to use a stove, don't know how to use mechanical appliances and knives, can't read directions, and can't understanding warnings spoken in English 

... an integral part of America's failure, as well.

Are you foreign-born?

Real change never comes easy, but it brings about a greater good. Not that it should matter from where I come, but I was born on the Southside of Atlanta, remembering very well from my childhood--in the years following MLK's death--the growing pains of a New South reluctant to change. some members of my own family had a hard time adjusting to desegregation. While Washington fought for real ways to fix broken laws that denied opportunity, I knew many folks personally who met change with resistance. Let's hope that with our easy access to information, change in attitudes toward inclusivity will move much faster amongst the masses.

Interesting that you choose N. Korea as an example of how we ought to run any part of our country.

And no, the people who are dirt poor do not stay in their own country except when they're from 1st world countries like America because nobody here can imagine traveling more than 2 miles a day without a car.  The dirt poor in other countries get here on their God given means of travel: their feet.

Well, I could have chosen Mexico, Turkey, Spain, France, England, Ireland, etc. N Korea just happened to be in the news recently in a story about Americans entering their nation illegally.  I'm not suggesting the US act like N Korea, I would recommend the US act like other modern developed nations.

The dirt poor utilize criminal gangs to get into the US.  This is undisputable.

I'm a jack in the box, you never know where I'll pop up Mark. 

In a thread this morning in another story that shall remain nameless, I was talking about Beto again (Mark remembers the name) and how at the pre-cast company he worked at (where all the Mexicans paid income taxes even though most where not here legally) one or two of the Americans supervisors used to borrow money from these Mexicans and not pay the money back- although they would put a good word in with the mostly absentee owners to get these “creditors” (my word) a raise.  The Mexicans figured they’d come out ahead in the long run with the raises these rat finks got them and they considered the loans a “write off,” (my word again) or the cost of doing business and not knowing the language well.  Beto who learned to speak English pretty well used to intervene sometimes, or he would go to the bosses himself and get these guys a raise (without the red tape i.e., loaning an American money).   Dave and ana lisa, are you starting to see why I loved this guy so much?

By the way ana lisa, I think I mentioned Beto (for anyone just joining in, Beto is back in Mexico) was asking me to call the old work place and try and get a recommendation that he could use to convince the other rats in this story, the bureaucrats in Mexico, that he was qualified to look for work in Canada in construction.  He’s half given up on that farm job he and I found together in Toronto (again, anyone just joining in- go to www.steinforgovernor.com to understand what the heck I’m talking about)   I spoke to one of the owners today, he directed me to speak with the Puerto Rican supervisor *****, he’s still there ana lisa.   Although the owner was nice, I could detect some nervousness in his voice, why, because when you’re half breaking the law you can’t trust anyone, and he wasn’t sure about me. 

I tell people like Mark over and over that nothing is black and white.

For every immigrant, it is the greatest honor and priovilege in the world, to come to the most powerful empire ever created by men. it is in their best interest, to assimilate 100%, adopt the culture, lifestyle, values, way of thinking.

There's a lot to unpack there, but I imagine there are many U.S. citizens who can find something to disagree with in that statement.

But I do appreciate the power of the ideology of universalism that the U.S. represents--it often however falls short.

i believe that many of the immigrants in those videos are doing their best to learn english and contribute to their communities and their new home in the face of difficult circumstances.  i had the privilege of being able to stay in my country of birth, so the immigrant experience is always something i only have vicariously.  i thank you for sharing your experience with the rest of us.

I have seen from personal experience that a great mahority of immigrants, specially hispanics, do not want to learn English. They don't like it, they don;t like this country, they don't like American people, they are here just for the opportunity; but their objective and agenda is to create here a second country where they can keep all they like and drain this system.

Mr. Godoy,

As a teacher and a person of mixed-race (Latina/white), I couldn't disagree with this statement more.  You are painting all Latin@s with the same brush, which is the essence of bigotry. However, I say this respectfully. As an immigrant yourself, you surely know how painful it can be to feel like an outsider.  You, like many immigrants -- including those Latin@ Americans --have a strong desire for acceptance and inclusion.  Some immigrants make the unfortunate mistake of thinking that if they bash other immigrant groups, they will appear more acceptable to American-born citizens.  This is a grave mistake, because the folks who are engage in this "good v. bad immigrant" dichotomy generally don't distinguish between the two.  An accent marks you and so will dark skin as the perennial outsider.  People who are xenophobic and bigoted are generally fearful of all outsiders, although they are loathe to admit it.  After working with many students from many different countries, I can assure you that my Latino students are just as conscientious and hard-working as the rest.  I can appreciate that you have a unique experience and perspective as an immigrant to any country.  I think you mentioned at one point that you were from  Latin American country yourself, no? I would just ask that you show respect for everyone who may be reading this blog, because your words have the power to wound people -- including the many hard-working Latino immigrants who are my students, family and friends.  Thank you.

...can appreciate that you have a unique experience and perspective as an immigrant to **this** country (*any was an error).

small world ana, did you know I'm friends with Chris who's just below this comment?

Chris that lady you're stringing along won't see this if I post it here. Even so I hasten to warn all that "nothing is black and white in this screwy world."  Reverend Governor in another incarnation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgB3r53YYlk

And  p.s. Chris glad you enjoyed Don Ameche and Francis Langford as the Bickersons

Gary,

Please do me this little favor. I got your email -- the one you forwarded to Dave.  Listen, please don't go and get yourself banned from this site.  Try to listen to what Dave is saying to you, and stop commenting on the gay rights blog so much...unless you have something genuine to contribute to the discussion -- that is, on topic! It begins with listening to people and understanding their concerns.  You know, it's probably the single most important thing you can do for your campaign, too (take a hint from Obama).  If you must post free-association style comments, send them to me instead, k? You've got my email. I am positively swamped with work right now, so I can't respond to all your emails.  However, I will try to read them when I have more free time.  Just try to be a bit more thoughtful...then I'm sure Dave will allow you to continue here.  He has a generous spirt and a philosophy of inclusiveness, but you have to do your part, k? 

I am sorry to tell you Ana, that It has never being painful for me being an outsider. I have never had a hard time in this country. I have never seen racism, bigotry or whatever towards me. I've been in the most remote wonderful small towns in the deep south, and people couldn't be warmer. The greatest people I've ever met in my life, as I am sure all Americans are all accross this nation. Is it because I am White? I don't think so; even though I've been able to almost completely get rid of the accent, yearas ago I still had a strong one and never saw any type of hostile attitude towards me. Even more, when I tell people that I had the honor to come to this nation and become an American, the with interest and admiration as where I was from. Why? because all goes on how you present yourself; your self esteem, self confidence, culture, knowledge. Racism and all that crap are cheap excuses; I've always had great jobs, awesome medical coverage, all because I cultivate myself. I educate myself every day, and try to be a better American for this country and its people. There is no need to work as a mule when you are valuable. If you have the need for that, well, something is wrong with the individual because this country does not close doors o anybody. They should blame themselves, not the victim.

So one last thing, I don't have a clue why you are asking me to have respect, if in any moment I have never said anything other than the truth. If you don't believe it, you should go for a few days to places like Miami or L.A.

I am the one who now ask for respect, and I do so representing The United States of America and its people. The law will be respected here. period. The culture, the language, traditions and values, will be respected. The flag, is untouchable. This country is my dream, I love it, and I will defend it til death. My piece of land will always have the American flag, and I will sit on the side with my shotgun with the rights my constitution grant me and the duty as a citizen to defend it. This forum will go forever, this issue will go forever, but the idiosyncrasy of Americans won't change. Many things can be tolerated, many agreements can be reached, but there are core issues that are non-negotiable. What happened to Americans crossing into north korea? What happened to Americans crossing into Iran? should we act the same way? ironically, we should according to our laws. However, for DECADES we have not enforced those rules; yet, people keep asking and pushing for more. When will this stop?? We are sick of it.

have you ever seen the movie "Borat"?

Well ana lisa, perhaps the first thing you saw this evening was the e-mail i sent this morning to the entire Fort Worth city council (and Charles Krauthammer, Kathyln Parker, you and about 40 other various contacts including the White House; the WH is my favorite, always enjoy the automated response back)

What can I say?  I feel all this stuff is conected.  Here's my posting on the gay side of the blog a little while ago.

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Chris, was just going to comment on thread when I saw your request in my e-mail.  This is what I've been up to this morning: e-mailed entire fort worth city council and the cowardly police dept. Two assumptions are in order maybe 1) i read about the situation and where it stood in June. 2) and you and I can agree this was pretty much a rogue incident and that Stonewall- back in the day - revealed the typical police dept., not the exception.

Anyway here's two hours worth of work this morning (including time with my computer that wouldn't load and watching more you tubes...(not the musical variety type like I enjoy.)"

"I think this is the message my computer got hung up on and I couldn’t send to the gay police officer on you tube, and then the article that contained all the e-mail addresses….…I was complimenting gays fighting spirit on the change.org  blog and mentioned Stonewall and a gay man, responding to my comment, mentioned Fort Worth.  Saw the other video and this.  You did an excellent job in front of the camera in 2nd video explaining your personality quirks (an asset).  Check out my web site Stein for Governor, we have a lot in common.  Going to e-mail the Fort Worth and mention how “bad press gets around.”

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/06/30/fort-worth-police-chief-that-faggot-had-it-coming

and here's the you tube I think my comment did get added to.  Who the hell knows?  can’t keep track and head starts to spin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PScswWSOas0&NR=1

(Chris)..and here’s message I e-mailed to neanderthals in Fort Worth:"  Do the right thing!  are you guys kidding in this day and age; this is why people are disgusted with civil servant high jinks and things (misdeeds) being swept under the rugs.

I’m one little man but I hope you got hundreds of e-mails from small folk like me trying to put bureaucrats like you on notice.  For your perusal (and maybe amusement?), my web site is http://www.steinforgovernor.com/Come_Fly_With__Me.html

Posted by Gary Stein on 08/26/2009 @ 08:36AM PT

Mr. Godoy,

This past weekend, I was going over the transcripts of the murder trial of Julio Maldonado and Denis Calderon (Dave blogged about it in a recent post).  Thirteen years ago, these men were the victims of a hate crime when they attacked by a racist white mob (20 to 30 people against two men).  The principle assailant died at the scene of natural causes and the pair was later charged with murder.  Eventually, they were both acquitted of the murder charges by all twelve members of the jury.  However, because of a legal technicality, they were sent back to prison and are due to be deported to Peru as soon as they are released. Now, these men have lived in the U.S. almost their entire lives – that is, since they were toddlers. This is just one case, but what you may not realize is that injustices like this happen every day in America. As an immigration attorney, Dave could tell you of other stories, I’m sure.  The reason you’re not aware of these stories is because it generally happens to people of color.  And frankly you don’t have to be aware because it doesn’t affect you personally, does it?  But that doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.

Now, the part of the trial that struck me most was probably the most boring. It was right at the start of the trial when the judge was delivering instructions to the jury. And the reason it made such an impression is that I realized all the pains the judge was going to be sure the jury would come to a fair and impartial decision. She didn’t want them to go into that courtroom with all the biases that most of us have and jump to a snap conclusion before hearing all the evidence.  Then, one of the defense attorneys stood up and delivered the opening statement, and he cautioned the jury in similar terms.  Here’s what he said:

“I don’t know if you do it, but I sometimes let my brain run too quickly and I’ll size up three facts and come to a conclusion, then a week later I’m very sorry.  All I’m asking you to do is keep an open mind.  Listen to all the witnesses to see whether the Commonwealth proves any of the elements of these charges.”

As I mentioned, we all have biases of one sort or another and judges are aware of this; attorneys are aware of this.  So, the jury charge is a way of safeguarding against people’s hidden biases.  And we all have prejudices that sometimes we are not even aware we have. So, when you refer undocumented immigrants as criminals, this is one of those biases, in my humble opinion. Tell me, what have they been convicted of?  Most of my Latino students have never been convicted in a court of law.  They are INNOCENT until proven guilty. So please don’t refer to them as criminals.  That is a injustice; that is ignorance and that is uncalled for! If you have no proof of a conviction, you are not entitled to call people criminals.

Now, you made a statement about Latinos is biased because it is so sweeping and so demonstrably untrue.  You said that Latinos do not care to learn English and are just here to But if you ever bothered to read some of the stories about the DREAMers on this blog, you would see that many of them are honor students, volunteers in their community and hard workers.  Most have NEVER been in trouble with the law, except for a civil violation.    So, please, Mr. Godoy, check your prejudices at the door.  We are not asking for much from your side: just a fair and impartial hearing.  Thank you. 

I say this respectfully...please take the time to educate yourself:

http://www.immigrantslist.org/pages/myths_vs_facts

I'm messing the continuum of the threads again I see.  It's partly the fault of the format.  I got to wind "this" down anyway, I'm such a pain in the butt.  I bet that cop on you tube (if anybody bothered clicking on it) appreciated me.  I see a lot of myself in that guy.

I wonder what's on you tube if you look up Immigration and Customs Enforcement?

a whole slew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYwG6Z6NvsA

maybe some of you have put the same links in... and I didn't click on?  is that possible ana?  if so then I'm really a big stupid bore and I'll take a self imposed holiday for a while.

So, when you refer undocumented immigrants as criminals, this is one of those biases, in my humble opinion. Tell me, what have they been convicted of?

Alex has it right they have committed a crime by definition, regardless of whether or not a jury has convicted them.  

Not.  Visa overstay is a civil violation, 40% of undocumented immigrants in the U.S.  You are lumping all undocumented immigrants together in ignorance of the actual laws that apply.  You've heard this before, you repeatedly choose to propagate misinformation because you think you won't be called on it.

That’s one white poker chip for Mr. Benion for the clarification on visa overstays and one red chip for Mr. Godoy for this sentence in a thread I missed from a few days ago  “This forum will go forever, this issue will go forever, but the idiosyncrasy of Americans won't change. Many things can be tolerated, many agreements can be reached, but there are core issues that are non-negotiable”

 I’m just about ready to go into “limp home mode” in these critical two months before the election- you know, the one for governor where I just needed a token 2% or so and we would have gotten some nice real attention- for say- the very simple  concept of issuing drivers licenses to our “undocumenteds.”   It might actually save lives, it would definitely eliminate the potential every one of us has to be made destitute in the blink of an eye.  And in case nobody knows,  “limp home”  is a feature in luxury cars that gets the owner back home in 1st gear even after a major systems failure.

And never mind Mr. Godoy!  Mr. Lindley has it right when he asks me whether I realize there’s an agenda here.  Maybe the pro-immigrant cause doesn’t want to tidy up this drivers license mess too quickly and maybe "pro-immigrant" really is code for "pro-immigration" as in “open borders”

And am I nuts or is Mr. Godoys other contribution, the one from last night missing?  It’s in my e-mail this morning but I can’t find it in the story.  This is part of what he said, I’m quoting from my e-amil, “ Remember that funding is not coming from the government; it is coming from us; from our taxes; and I am sorry to tell you that I work and earn money for me, not for others. Anybody is free to give millions in charity if they wanted, but nobody, and certainly not the government, can force me to pay for others.” 

 The punk running for Governor has repeated over and over that I think all this back and forth is like the old admonition  “how many angels can you fit on the head of a pin” Over on the gay issues side of this blog there was this riposte waiting to greet me this morning in my e-mail as well. “ Ok mr. marshall but what did the goats for women have to do with homosexuals?”  And...Yeah, unfortunatly, women were treated as cattle back then. posted by Thomas McHugh  ( I can’t find that comment added to that story either.  Is there major censorship going on here?  That could open up a whole other can of worms.)  And sorry to drag your name over to here, Mr. McHugh, your picture is proudly posted as a friend on my profile page.

My point is nothing ever gets settled adequately this way.  I posted a thread over on the gay side stating that I sent a bunch of e-mails out; critical of the Fort Worth city council and police department,  and that I also posted kind words on You-tube to a gay cop from San Francisco who was outraged about police brutality in a Fort Worth gay bar last June-  and it’s as if I don’t exist over there. 

Here’s my prediction where, little Stein for Governor is going, and where amnesty is heading.  I finish 8 out of a field of 12 instead of 4th.  Amnesty gets passed next year over much objection, the Obama administration is spent after winning the amnesty fight and barely getting any reforms on health care- but he wins re-election thanks to a surge in Hispanic registrations- but his 2nd term is a waste- all his capital is gone.   Beto never gets the hell out of Mexico, the wall is finished and Mexico sinks deeper into stagnation and chaos.  The amnsesty card which we could have used to pressure Mexico, in the form of a boycott- is history- I’m history.

p.s. Because I had no momentum  I’m left to explain why my slogan for Ocean County, NJ was “Something Stupid” and how did I ever expect voters in one county to know I picked a different Sinatra tune, one for each county in the state.  They were left thinking I was nuts and voted for some other guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu8UF9szrlE&feature=related  this lovely lady at least sent me a thank you note. (yes, yes I know someone very important here has been very kind and patient with me)

 ana lisa, I still haven’t told you what the woman who owned the Mexican restaurant had to say about boycotts etc?

Visa overstay is a civil violation

Well, murder is a  civil violation, too.  Remember the OJ trial? Divorce is a civil affair.  Litigation is the scope of the civil courts.

I find disingenuous your lawyerly twisting of the truth.

Visa overstay is a civil violation

A visa Overstay is an Administrative Offence, it is NOT a Civil Offence, Progressives equate it to be that of or equal to a Civil Offence. It is the Federal Government against the immigrant not the State.

I am NOT a lawyer, Kurt, so there was no "lawyerly twisting of the truth" on my part. But to the best of my knowledge, civil violations generally involve claims for damages (i.e. compensation in dollars).  The crime of murder is a criminal violation, unless someone is suing for loss of consortium or something like that (the loss of the  support of a spouse, etc.).  But I have forgotten what little I picked up from that paralegal course on Tort claims.  Fortunately, we have an honest-to-goodness lawyer on board -- one who is well versed in immigration law. So, why don't you ask him before you make ridiculous assumptions?  That is, unless you are both so full of yourselves that you think you know it all.  (However, I'm guessing that he may be a caught up with work today.) 

Correction: The assailant in the Maldonado case did not die at the scene. His heart stopped and he was in a coma for two years before he died.  It was later determined that he died of natural causes.  My error.

That is, unless you are both so full of yourselves that you think you know it all.

Dave is the one which left the comment that was responded to. Look above:

Posted by Dave Bennion on 08/26/2009 @ 09:34PM PT

I was the one who originally stated that it was a civil violation, but if Kurt really thinks he can argue with an immigration attorney, he is one dumb little bunny. 

Then in that case, both you and Dave are incorrect in stating that it is a "civil violation" to overstay a visa.

Sorry Kurt, I am pretty stressed out this week (first week of school).  I guess that's why I am reverting to my smartass self when I promised Dave I would maintain a positive tone (not that he called me on it or anything).  So I do apologize for calling you a 'dumb bunny.'  I didn't mean it...just frustration.  Mea culpa.

Your exact quote was: Most have NEVER been in trouble with the law, except for a civil violation.

Dave's exact quote was: Visa overstay is a civil violation

Which is what was italicized by both Kurt and myself. Now as for your "plausible distinction" claim of Most of my Latino students have never been convicted in a court of law.  They are INNOCENT until proven guilty. So please don’t refer to them as criminals.  That is a injustice; that is ignorance and that is uncalled for! If you have no proof of a conviction, you are not entitled to call people criminals. You are correct up to the point in which they do have to prove their status, in which case if they can not prove their status, i.e. for a drivers license, vehicle code infractions, or any other infraction for which they are required to prove their status, then they become "deportable aliens" and are considered to be in violation of immigration law which is a criminal offence, usually a class 4 Federal Misdemeanor.

However, I do have to laugh some folks who have never set foot in a law school, yet think they can argue the law in a blog.  Thanks for the giggle!

Giggle?? Your daddy is a lawyer, prove what I have said to be incorrect. Dave can attempt, too. Even your own side, the groups you use to justify your mis-quoted statements agree with me, if you do the copy and paste correctly from them.

Removal proceedings are civil in nature, and the extensive constitutional safeguards attending criminal proceedings do not apply. INS v. Lopez-Mendoza, 468 U.S. 1032, 1038 (1984); United States v. Aguirre-Tello, 353 F.3d 1199, 1204 (10th Cir. 2004) (en banc). Rather, "the procedural safeguards are minimal because aliens do not have a constitutional right to enter or remain in the United States." Aguilera v. Kirkpatrick, 241 F.3d 1286, 1292 (10th Cir. 2001). Therefore, when facing removal, aliens are entitled only to procedural due process, which provides "the opportunity to be heard at `a meaningful time and in a meaningful manner.'" (in front of an Immigration Judge) de la Llana-Castellon v. INS, 16 F.3d 1093, 1096 (10th Cir. 1994) (quoting Mathews v. Eldridge, 424 U.S. 319, 333 (1976))

I have given this to you before Analisa, you have yet to refute any of it. Maybe you should do some research before making such bold statements that are factually incorrect.

This is in reply to Analisa...you are not Latina/White...you are either Latina/European American or...you are Brown/White.  You must learn to not mix apples and oranges...if you refer to European Americans as White then the Latina is Brown...just like the African Americans are Black.  I am offended when educated individuals as yourself do not understand the difference.  Thank you.

i don't know whether the question of whether piecemeal or CIR is better is the most useful question.  i think a more useful question is: how can we engage local communities in the different issue campaigns (UAFA, DREAM, deported veterans, family separation, etc.), and how can we collaborate better across those issue campaigns?  i'd be happy to hear your thoughts on this.

Chris Marshall what's going on over on the other blog?  You've been awfully quiet lately and we're blood brothers now.  I just posted this mysterious comment below over there.  Does it stay for more then a few minutes?  Or has the censor gone to bed for the night?

Here's the comment.  I also pasted another bloggers comment that got caught up in the "sweap"

This precious comment was in my in box this afternoon and tonight and until I decide to delete it.  Things have a way of disappearing all of a sudden.  “Odd...I see the post - but Juniper's original posts have disappeared, for some reason.”
posted by Mattz HL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh9WayN7R-s&feature=related am I banned?  Where are all my earlier comments?  Stay on topic stupid (talking to myself) or you land in jail.

 Dat ol' man river
He must know somethin'
But don't say nuthin',

Let me go way from the mississippi
Let me go way from the white man boss
Show me that stream called the river jordan
Thats the old stream that I long to cross.

Posted by Gary Stein on 08/27/2009 @ 09:18PM PT

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that's me signing a petition for Chris Marshall seconds after my thread posted.  I had no idea my brother and i where send letters simultaneously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_klQNiYhNA  What can I say, I’m a frustrated disk jockey.   This song is beautiful.

  I'm doing a little heavy lifting over there and I get banned for my troubles.  Liquid Reigns what's your take?  and ana lisa, the lady, the Mexican restaurant?  I'm leaving soon, this sight is missing in the fun department.

some one by the name of Juniper and maybe even me (?) has been banned over at the gay rights side.  if that's the case the hypocrisy and stupidity is amazing..............this is a blog! what the heck is everybody so afraid of?  if "we're asking all the people on "the outside" world to help make the world a better place, how can this site be intolerant.  words, it's only words.  which brings to mind folks another you tube wizzing around inside my cabesa.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc

that's from 1986.  How about that guy from the Washington Times?  does he look stupid? does he over react?  would he be for immigration reform in 2009?  let people have their say!!!!  let them look bad if that's what they do- look bad.