Oh yes.  All immigrant prisoners should be set free.  All of them.

Of course, only the monumentally ignorant would believe that's what any reasonable person wants.

Moving on . . .

Human rights violations -- such as were committed against Hiu Lui Ng -- are like roaches:  where there's one, there are dozens more.

And like roaches, human rights violations need to be exterminated across the board.  This does not mean setting all prisoners free onto the streets.  It simply means liberating them from inhumane treatment.

I wonder whether Hiu Lui Ng would have self-deported if he was set free.

And I am confused by RayJay's remarks that all immigrant prisoners should be set free.  If the immigrant is a crazed murderer on death row, for God's sake, don't let him out to roam among us and kill again

However, if this is an alien who is illegally in the country and has committed no other crime, then I believe a enforceable commitment to leave the US immediately will serve as the condition of his release from detention.  

(I wonder whether Hiu Lui Ng would have self-deported if he was set free.) (I believe a enforceable commitment to leave the US immediately will serve as the condition of his release from detention.) 

Geee Wire, Do you think Hiu Lui Ng had the energy to self-deport upon his release considering that cancer was tearing up his spin???? or do you think that Hiu Lui Ng might have used every last bit of life he had to try to self-transport to the hospital.

I don't know if you have ever had a major operation and felt excruciating pain run through your body but let me give you a clue or perhaps a reminder on how it feels; the only thing that is on your mind is getting help to take the pain away. The usual thought is someone call an ambulance.

Do you think I'm being sarcastic? or are you confused again.

Oh and I forgot to say....Yippie!! Yeah!! and double Yeah!! that the Donald Whatt "Motel Hell" of Rhode Island lost its contract and $100,000 a week. It will never replace the loss of Hiu Lui Ngs life thought. Daniel Cooney should have to pay for the loss of someone's life with more than a job loss and hopefully in time there will be "retrictions" and strict rules enforced with the do's and dont's of law enforcement inside a prison and penaltys that follow if those rules are abused. I bet "retrictionists" aren't in favor of those kind of "retrictions" and the enforcement of the "rule of law" when it comes to acting humane.

I don't see sense in this topic. I mean, despite any irregularity in how cities are running their jail system, illegal aliens should be jailed and prosecuted anyways.

So bottom line, running the local jail as a motel 6 or not, illegal aliens WILL end up inside yes or yes.

No. Undocumented aliens should be simply sent home, unless they have committed an actual crime---and maybe even then if it is minor. 

Unless they need emergency refugee status. 

There is no need to put them in prison for being undocumented. That is expensive for taxpayers and cruel, especially when it separates families.

Kathleen, I must be the new unelected moderator of this immigration blog, not DAve.  The dog days of summer seem to have taken hold, all my friends have either gone away or they refuse to answer the question I keep posing to them, which is "are you for open borders?" 

Same question to you as to Alex above, what do you think of my compromise position?  If we could stop illegal immigration cold by "undocumenteds" leading the way and boycotting Mexico, no remittances etc- with the idea of the Mexican government being cornered into prosecuting corruption,  unleashing their economy as a result, which would be good for them and us, we finish the fence and one final amnesty to the illegals would you vote for a candidate promoting that?  Yes you would, thank you

http://steinforgovernor.com

There's something unseemly about a prison making a profit and regarding prisoners as "cash cows." Prisoners should only be in prison for committing crimes and then they should be treated humanely. I agree with Kathleen Gresham regarding what should be done about undocumented aliens and feel that many more than are currently granted emergency refugee status deserve such status.

I am disgusted by the treatment of Hiu Lui Ng and the comments of Daniel Cooney. The callous remark by Mr. Cooney shows that he should not be placed in any position where he has responsibility for the caring of people until he demonstrates that he has had a serious attitude change.

Speaking of hardships and "profit prisons" I thought I would post this information for anyone who can attend one of these organized church vigils from the East Coast "tri-state area." Its important for us to continue working from the ground "grassroots and up" to push for change and our churchs nationwide are really doing a great job organizing for us on this issue. September will be a big month in Congress to discuss reform so we want to advocate against this "private prison" for profits system. Hopefully some of these organized efforts will get the press that we have noticed have avoided us. If our "grassroots movement" gets big enough the press won't be able to avoid it.

NJ Advocates for Immigrant and Detainee Rights* 

973.643.1924

August 6, 2009

Several local community groups are coming together on Tuesday, September 15th, to demand that US immigration policies support Family Values

The Vigils will be taking place at various church locations in NJ.

I was thinking: Why not utilize all blogs as tools for organizing our grass roots effort? We could post information that moblizes the movement everwhere we can. The stronger our grassroots movement becomes...the quicker our laws CHANGE!

"If our "grassroots movement" gets big enough the press won't be able to avoid it."

thanks for nothing Mary, stein for governor. a.k.a, or nom de guerre; Rodney Dangerfield.

Well if anything I hope you steal some of Chris Christies votes!

Sorry, was away at my e-mail sending to contacts....you don't want to know...

am at a Fort Lauderdale library, almost on my way out, but for you I'll stay a few more minutes- but will be right back after I find a 500 word essay and give you Mary P. a preview.  I have to August 17 to get it in.  Will be sent to every registered voter in New Jersey.  Right back.

…..I can be a useful- I don’t like to say idiot, but if it takes a useful idiot to jolt the establishment I can be that.  If you’re in a protesting mood- don’t you worry you’re throwing a vote away by supporting me.   I could pull an equal amount of votes from both parties, the final election outcome stays the same but we’ll send a powerful message.  For instance;  I’m for issuing drivers licenses to our illegals, but I’m for punishing Mexico….…….New Jersey crooks take notice…….we could really shake things up if our illegal immigrant community agreed not to send remittances back home…..We could reward these folks with amnesty…Issue two.  I’m for a single payer health insurance plan…….Call me the great compromiser....

4:06 pm going, going, gone

One doesn't have to be a criminal to be arrested for immigration viiolations and to be deported.   That is what all countries do with those in their countries illegally.  I see nothing unfair about that.   One cannot use their personal situations to have the laws adjusted for them.   They know what the penalty is for crossing our border illegally or for overstaying their visas beforehand.   It was their own decision and therefore one has to pay the consquences for their decisions according to the law and according to God's word. 

My heart goes out to you Debbie regarding the breakup of your family. Those who aren't affected by the system have no idea of how hard it is for immigrants to navigate it.

It is understandable that the law often can't take individual circumstances into consideration. However, Mark Lindley's "God" is even more heartless than the law. He/she/it reminds me of the robot police in Ray Bradbury's "The Pedestrian."

(It was their own decision and therefore one has to pay the consquences for their decisions according to the law and according to God's word.) 

"Gods" word! Mark, you pick and choose the words you want to use to advocate against people. Did you forget the 10 Commandments. They are pretty basic. They talk about not putting other "Gods" before "God" and that means "rulers" that make unreasonable Immigration laws. Also are you forgetting the Commandment that talks about bearing false witness against your neighbor. I don't know where you are getting your "Godly" ideals from but you might want to ask some of the people in your church if they have money invested in the "prisons for profit industry" because I suspect something is up when a church manipulates the words in the Bible to advocate against mankind.

Hi again Mary, I typed the blah, blah to Mark before I saw your comment.  See what you and ana lisaetc are up against.  Then think of the town hall meetings on Health Care.  Problem is Mark is coming from the advantageous position of being within the law as it is written.

The ten commandments are what I base my views on.   Thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not covet, etc.   Who is bearing false witness on their neighbor in regards to the immigration issue?  I don't know what some others are basing their objection to illegal immigation on.   I only know what law abiding Americans like myself base their views on and that is our laws, the best interests of our country and how millions of people entering our country illegally affects us overall and how unfair it is to immigrants who are waiting to do it the lawful way.

It may be hard to come here legally but that is because if it were so easy we would be overun with the world's poor.   That is why most all countries don't make it that easy to migrate to their countries either.   Immigration has to be in controlled numbers, equal immigration from different countries and ethnic groups and based on our needs as a nation.

If we took into account every personal sob story of someone who knew ahead of time that they were violating our immigration laws and let them stay what would be the incentive for others not to migrated here illegally also then?  That is why we have penalties for any and all of our laws when broken.   We are a nation of laws with compassion but even our compassion has to be limited or we will destroy ourselves. 

This discussion is beginning to run fairly far afield - Gary Stein for Governor of NJ, Mark Lindley's God, who blindly follows the law and has the compassion of a robot, etc.

To sum up our areas of agreement & disagreement as I see them & an interesting thread that I see in this:

We all agree that nobody deserves the kind of treatment that Hui Liu Ng received, regardless of crime and/or illegal alien status and that the statement of Daniel Cooley was extremely callous.

A question I have not seen asked is if Mr. Ng is entitled to some compensation for this injustice?

I believe that we all agree that imprisonment is not an appropriate punishment for an undocumented immigrant who has not committed a crime, or who has committed a minor one, as it doesn't fit the offense and costs the taxpayers money. Some would deport regardless, some would let the person stay, some would judge the case on its individual merits. I favor the last approach, within the limits of our legal system, as we don't have the resources to exhaustively examine every claim.

As for the interesting thread I saw, it's the notion of serving "cash cows" in the human services field. People tend to forget that prison guards are correctly titled "correction officers" and not screws, turnkeys or some other derogatory term out of the gangster movies. As such, their duty is to humanely treat the inmates and to try to "rehabilitate" them. Thus, correction officers do work in the human services field, and contrary to popular misconceptions, many are quite decent human beings who treat the people they work with respectfully, especially if they get respect back.

That said, I've heard the term "cash cows" applied to people with disabilities and other populations served as clients. Yes, a health care provider needs to bill Medicaid or whatever for services, and this billing does pay the wages of the people that serve the clients or patients. But, whether one is a doctor, dentist, lawyer, social worker, or a direct care worker, one should never forget that one is working with people and but for the "grace of God" you could be the "cash cow."

Or the person in some foreign hellhole who is looking for a better life for himself and his family...

Andrew, where is your compassion for your fellow Americans on this issue?  I wouldn't be talking about a lack of compassion if I were you.  My compassion is for my fellow law abiding Americans who are not ethnocentrically inclined.  Why should anyone have compassion for those who don't follow laws in place to protect a country's citizens?  Your so-called compassion is very misplaced.

I don't blindly follow laws, I asess them and their merit.  I see a lot of common sense in having immigration laws and the enforcement of them.  But even if I disagree with any law, I don't take it upon myself to refuse to honor it, I would seek to have it changed and not beat up on other Americans who think that a law is ok the way it is.

Mark,

If you had read my last statement closely, I said to exercise compassion within the limits of our legal system. One can't rescue a drowning man if one is drowning oneself. And, it's also not just a question of how far we go regarding compassion, but planning things out. As I've said from the beginning regarding this issue and other issues in this and other discussions, we can't address this issue by itself, as if it has nothing to do with such wider issues as our foreign policy, which has been weighted too far toward military "assistance" as opposed to humanitarian aid.

To highlight one component of a complex issue on a complex planet; the better conditions are in other nations, the less the incentive there will be for people in other nations to emigrate here. Just by engaging in fewer military adventures in the name of "protecting freedom" we improve the rest of the planet. If we use some of the energy and resources used for military purposes and divert it to building instead, we improve conditions more.

No nation is an island just as no man is an island. We need to look for more win/win situations for we all live on one fragile planet. When we get hung up thinking only in terms of win/lose everyone ends up being the losers.

Andrew,  I agree with most of what you have said.  We should help other nations as much as possbile to become economically successful so their citizens don't try to migrate here illegally.  However, many of those nations do not want our interference and any monetary aid doesn't get to the people.

I can say with nearlly 1000% certainty that those who are seeking CIR as in this blog would rather have the millions stay here rather than sending them back to their homelands along with this economic help to their governments that you have proposed.    They have a whole different agenda.   Don't wear blinders on what that agenda is.

Gary,

If I haven't responded to much of what you've directed at me, it's because others have said pretty much what I would have said. I don't like to rain on people's parades, but I don't feel that you have the knowledge of the issues or political process, much less the financing and backing to make a serious run for Governor of NJ. Furthermore, you would need to choose your words more carefully. However, I'm a resident of NY, so my vote doesn't count.

Plus, I would like people to stay more on topic regarding these discussions. I have a day job and sizable gardens to tend when I get home among other things, so have limited time to devote to these discussions.

Mark,

It appears that we're gradually reaching agreement on some issues. I know that there are a lot of people with a lot of different agendas out there - too many for me to be aware of all of them. Some of the most despicable are the people who defraud would be immigrants, sell them into slavery or prostitution, transport them by unsafe means and the employers who don't pay the undocumented workers a fair wage, or who don't pay them at all for work performed along with the many who have them working in unsafe and/or unsanitary conditions.

The jail for profit issue is yet another potential (and in the case of this article real) criminal situation that needs to be addressed.

Then , there are the illegal immigrants who are involved in these activities, or are selling drugs, etc. Though it doesn't benefit our economy, those undocumented workers who are basically honest, hard workers who in some cases work off the books (sometimes you're just glad to get a job, so don't ask questions or talk about what's morally right, especially if you're undocumented) send most of their earnings home are garden variety criminals compared to the types of criminals portrayed in the movie "Taken."

I wish there was an easy solution to these problems, but I suspect that our government will have to right a lot of wrongs and slog through quite a quagmire of unsavory situations before things get better.

Andrew I have enough knowledge of the issues to predict for two years now, and in this blog many times, that the process is stalled and going nowhere; as in gridlock.  After this health care reform fiasco I double down on that assessment for immigration reform.  In that case I'd try a fair exchange of a boycott for amnesty, and a secure fence as a sweetener.  Andrew, at this point- the fantasy- of a boycott, is (was) to help make life better for those in Mexico since the corruption kills the economy.  How many times do (did) I have to say that, and also remind the big brothers (Dave) and sisters (ana and mary) on this site that nobody is in danger of immediate starvation down there, get real.  I don't need any links to some article talking about starvation in Haiti that ends with a mention of a shortage of corn tortillas in Mexico- thrown in for good measure (ana lisa are you listening?) by the author.  I've been there "on the ground" as they say, nobody is in imminent danger of starving!

As for a serious run for Governor, I'm a schlub like everyone else on this site, I'm not going anywhere (present tense) except maybe back down to Mexico with that elusive reporter.  If I was (past tense) seriously running for  Governor my handlers would never let me appear to be attributing a quote from John Donne (1572-1631), "no man is an island," to the Jefferson Airplane- 1966 to, in my opinion, about 1969- the last good year they had.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIccZsURyLc&feature=fvw

Samcandy64 said 6 hours ago, "This is not a version of CS&N song. It was written jointly by Crosby, Stills, and Kantner. Both versions are original. Kanter was not credited on the original CS&N release because of legal hangups that would have delayed the CS&N release of the recording, so Kantner consented that his name not be included."

Thank you Sam, I didn’t know that, I thought it was all CS&N.  When I was a teenager in the early 70’s I “dug” this version more then words can say.

Andrew and Gary, I disagree with some of your points.  First off Andrew I notice that you seem to completely exhonerate these "hard workers" of any wrong doing on their part.   There are many guilty parties in all of this and they are also guilty.  

As for boycotting Mexico Gary, we can do that without keeping millions of their citizens here.   It would be an incentive for Mexico to clamp down on anymore entering illegally.   What you are proposing is akin to blackmail only we would be getting the raw end of the stick more than Mexico would.

You are suggesting that we absorb these millions into our society and therefore continuing to stress out our resources and social infrastructers and eventually changing the demographics of this country.   With a path to citizenship they will eventually be able to bring in their families and extended families.   "Immigrants" for the most part have high birthrates also.   What do you think this will do to our population growth?     Also since most of those in our country illegally are from south of our border rather than an equal mix of ethnic groups, how fair is that since it will mostly benefit one group?   How do you plan on deterring another wave of illegal immigrants in the future?   Another amnesty aka CIR will only encourage the next  batch.   I really don't think you have thought this whole thing through to its ultimate end.

Do you even know if we have jobs for all these millions while employing Americans first?   Why are there so many umployed Americans if that were the case?   Most of them are on the lower end of the pay scale because they are relatively uneducated and unskilled.   Do you really think it wise to add more to our poor population rather than to our middle class?   We need more middle class and upper class citizens because they pay most of the taxes to keep our country afloat.   So many things that I don't think you have thought through Gary.   If you plan on running for public office I suggest you don't have tunnel vision for our country.

Hello Mark, didn't expect response so soon, glad you're out there.  You know even though you don't read through all my comments at least when I ask you to please respond you do.  Thinking maybe this has a little something to do with the fact that I changed parties to Republican 30 years ago.  I've been tweaking ana lisa (forget about Dave he's too good for us) for weeks to answer one question, that is, "are you for open borders?" never get an answer.

Mark as for boycotting, one, the illegals here are never going home because no matter how much "the restrictionists" (can you believe that word?), desire that, for one there is a court system that is evenly divided between liberals and conservatives, not to mention Congress (and more D's then R's).  The latter are real cowards and this issue is just going to keep  twisting in the wind.

Here's the point you miss, we have a golden opportunity (amnesty) to "blackmail" Mexico into making the necessary, and not that difficult, changes down there to jump start their economy i.e., arrest and prosecute the corrupt local "key stone cops" as first step.  I'm a private citizen not the secretary of state, I can propose anything, of course it's blackmail. How many times do I have to say that after the initial change in policy the rest of the nogoodnicks will fold like cheap cameras (especially with family pressuring them, besides that threat of being arrested.  Mark! First reform there, then amnesty here. Drivers licenses immediately though.) You are definitely not hearing (because you choose not to) my point that illegals not sending remittances, home, with the promise of amnesty, is the jet fuel that would shame the Mexican government into action.  Us not travelling to Cancun is just the icing on the cake.

I've said this many time Mark, I'd be for an across the board amnesty for all ethnic groups here in this country now.  (all groups- and that would put even more pressure for illegal Mexicans to not send the remittances home and their government to respond and do the right thing)  As for a next time, there can't be a next time because people like you have rights and need to feel like you've been listened to, so at the least, we need to finish the fence without anymore discussion ((and since we just had an amnesty (in my perfect world)).  Oh boy, the whole thing is very complicated; it takes a shit like me to put a compromise out there (I thought).  Last thought Mark, these illegals are reviving ghost towns all across this country.

p.s. Here'a another sub-plot to the movie staring Ben Stiller playing me running for Governor.  In a dream sequence, little Gary gets an audience with his opponent Chris Christie, the former prosecuter, and explains his whole misheguna concept.

ana lisa and Mary, let's agree on something, can we, like music.  Obviously I'm back from Florida and have sound on my computer again, and I'm feeling especially lazy and not catching up on house chores as usual.  For the heck of it I looked up a tune I liked a little bit back and sure enough it's on You-tube- three live versions no less.  This is the only decent one, do you like?  Remember I'm the guy who has 23 different slogans on the ballot, one for each county in NJ- three word Sinatra songs like "all the way"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RHrdpgKSQg&feature=related

Mark,

I didn't say that we should do nothing regarding undocumented workers working off the books, etc. and being here illegally. I just referred to them as garden variety law breakers in contrast to some people (both citizens and some undocumented) who are doing some really vile things. I feel that we should concentrate our efforts on the very numerous more serious criminals, who profit off of human misery, including Daniel Cooney.

There’s lots of blogs where I can go to quietly- without my having an agenda- if nobody here wants me.  You-tube for instance, someone who is very talented and who posts many you-tubes of herself performing, often time with her husband- less anyone here misinterprets, wrote a nice note to me days ago (I just saw it) after I said that if anyone could find and post a certain song (Rhode Island Is Famous For You sung by Blossom Dearie) she could.  Then looking over videos of her doing other songs I indirectly learned that a song I thought was Willie Nelson’s alone was really written by the Dave Mathews Band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5gTd2xMKHk&feature=related

Well on the immigration front I just got word that Letty who I mentioned twice now in other threads from a few days ago, made it safely across the border on the first try.  It must be fate that Beto got caught 6 or was it 7 times.  What do you think of that Mr. Lindley, in a perfect world we wouldn’t need a boycott and these interlopers wouldn’t come to our damn country!  But alas it’s not a black and white universe.  By the way, unlike Beto, where she lived it was absolutely pristine and very inviting.  Beto’s town was dirty.  She’ll probably live above a pizza parlor again, like they did before they went back to Mexico, around the same time as Beto…no that would be before because I visited them on my first trip down there with Beto.  She was growing all kinds of fruits and they had something going on with mushrooms in a few outbuildings; now she’ll most likely go back to that laundry she was working in 2 or 3 years ago in New Jersey.  We invited the whole lot to come swimming in our pool.  If I could download a picture I’d show you her three children that Beto and I took to yet another resort.   I like that other one I’ve told you about better, this one is a hot spring though, right up the road from where they live.  Lot’s of hot springs and  active volcanoes where Beto and she come from.  Let’s go traveling….

Don't let two weeks worth of discussion and all this work just die from lack of any new responses.  Where is everybody at their summer dachas?

Ana lisa, let me go back 2 weeks to where you quoted Kathleen,

"People come from Mexico AND from all over Central America, where U.S. sponsorship of paramilitary death squads and dictators (remember Iran-Contra?) has made it unsafe for them to live and impossible to make a living."

Continuing,”Your remarks about stopping people from sending money home to Mexico show a deep ignorance of the situation as well as an utter callousness."

And you chastised me, "Thank you for saying this, Kathleen. 

Gary, you need to educate yourself on this issue before you even think of running for office."

If it's necessary to relive events from 30 years ago (not to mention flashbacks to the awful music), Iran-Contra, we can; hey Mark?  Jeanne Kirkpatrick used to call it "blame America first"

p. 309, A World of Trouble, Patrick Tyler, http://www.latimes.com/features/books/la-et-rutten28-2009jan28,0,4261075.story The White House and the Middle East from the cold war to the war on terror….”Here, over a two-year period from 1984-1986, Reagan reached the nadir of muddled thinking that was the hallmark of his approach to the Middle East…In opening a secret channel to Iran, that country’s desperate need for weapons and spare parts in the war with Iraq was never going to be separated from Iran’s sponsorship of the hostage takers in Lebanon.  Reagan seemed to walk into this trap with eyes open and hearing only what he wanted to hear- that trading weapons (he convinced himself this was not ransom) would lead to the release of hostages”

One this book criticizes every president after Eisenhower for their mistakes in the Middle East, especially Bill Clinton and yes George W. Two, Kathleen makes it sound like the old Soviet Union wasn’t trying to destabilize countries in Central America, just us. Three, there were F’n American hostages being held in Lebanon, passenger jets being blown up, tourists in wheelchairs pushed over the side of cruise ships- all with the background of your usual wars Israel-Syria, Iran-Iraq in the middle east.  Point being all this stuff is very complicated!   I’m sure last weeks meeting with Obama-Calderon-and Canadian president will go down in history as a monumental achievement.

Meanwhile I still have to talk to Beto like I did last night and talk about the “real world”  His e-mail which he had to pay to send from an internet café didn’t get to me (sending the web address of that resort I want to post on my “Come Fly With Me” web page of mine), the phone conversation was next to impossible to understand- the connection was so terrible- and Mr. Practical that he is, he’s not counting on waiting till “November” to go back to that dumb government office in Cuernivaca to claim the job that’s waiting for him in Canada at the farm we visited together.  Oh, we snickered at that Guadalajara meeting last week with all the Presidents, or I should say snickered between shouts of “can you hear me, can you hear me!”   He’s not letting moss grow under his feet, he asked me to get a recommendation from the former employer of his at the cast concrete company he worked at for 5 years, and where he overpaid his taxes (and never asked for a refund).  I know the people there, I’ll get it after several tries I’m sure.  He wants to try the construction trade approach to getting a job in Canada.  Good luck Beto, I don’t doubt I’ll have to go back up to Canada again myself and try getting help.  Where will I go?  To that shit Member of Parliament's office from Mississauga – Bonnie Crombie- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfKNyQB9IGg&feature=related (an empty suite but a real looker) who couldn’t bother helping us other then to print some forms from the internet!  She’s worried about jobs for Canadians, listen to her.  Does every body get that!  You have to fix MEXICO so Mexicans can help Mexicans.  By the way, we found that job on the farm using leads from regular citizens who went out of their way to help, not any one form government, oh no, too nervous or lazy!

A little long on speeches today. Why do I bother taking so much time to reach out to 5 or 6 bloggers?  I hope there’s a method to my madness, a master plan as they say.

Anyway in conclusion remembering what I said (10 minutes ago) about the bad music from the 80’s here’s some music from the 60’s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73VXUZMOJdQ&feature=related

First up I urge everybody here to “skip” on over to the gay rights side of this blog.  I added a comment there and talked about the boycott of Mexico- just what they wanted to hear.  I explained it in a way that they might understand.  Perhaps you’d see what I’m talking about in a different light if you took a look.  Either way not much going on around here so maybe we can get it in gear again. 

http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/urge_tim_hortons_to_stop_supporting_anti-lgbt_group   

talked to Beto a little while ago, between threads on the gay blog, and had to shout as usual back and forth.  Does anybody know who Carlos Slim is?  And this hot off the presses.  Beto text mailed me the web address of my favorite resort, could be your favorite too.  I’m reading from phone it says www.lasestacas.com    have more to say another isuue, maybe I could double down on this Stein for Governor, but I could post several threads, I’m going to look this resort address up on the web, who knows maybe one of you are on line at same time as me.  Plus want to check my e-mail, I hooked one over at the gay blog.  Why do I try to instigate.  And for the record I have absolutely nothing but positive feelings about the gay community, but I did unnecessarily tweek them a little.  how else would I write? ask Dave.  If I try and sound serious I sound too boring.

What a pathetic web site, at least we got the right address, there wasn't even a picture of the cliffs you can dive off of, there could have been more pictures of the river including where they rent the diving gear, that's where the river really widens out and there's places to jump or dive in, there weren't any pictures from what I saw, of the restaurant.  The restaurant was  gorgeous.  The pictures wouldn't blow up either, as a matter of fact i have better pictures.  I think they showed one swimming pool, no petting zoo...............and here's the big point.....they have no money!!!! for a good web site.  not much business, only a few Mexicans with bucks,  Beto certainly never would have gone had it not been for me visiting.  Could you imagine if it's as nice as I say it is, (and there's others), if say retired Americans could get in their car and travel from Niagara Falls to South America in their cars or campers?  How many would like to do that?  Can't now- therefore the American dollars stay home.  Tie the 12 million here to what happens in Mexico I say.  Mr. Lindley would be very happy if Mexicans needn't come here in the first place.  Not enough space.

"What's the big idea!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKtwlHV1-O8&NR=1

Boy I’m tired, played 2 games of softball in the heat and humidity this morning, went to work, went to my favorite Mexican restaurant, went back to work.  Came home had a beer, talked to the wife by phone(25 years is a long time to be married, pretty much just friends any more, she’s in PA. diabetes acting up, didn’t sleep well last night, probably thinking too much about the court appearance on Monday of the rat who cold blooded murdered her brother 4 years ago.  With time spent already in jail, he might get out in a matter of months, its unbelievable what a court appointed lawyer will do; give the guy great representation on my in-laws dime (tax money)

Getting back to my day, showered, went on line, posted one thread, talked to Beto, posted many threads.  At the Mexican restaurant I purposely talked to the owner who I know and quizzed her about my ideas, like ana lisa suggested I do.  Very interesting conversation if anyone is interested.

I’m off track as usual.  Here’s another idea, like the old commercial said, maybe two ideas are better then one.  If this idea is as good as the boycott idea I got 4th place locked up this November!  There’s “only” 10 of us in the race (plus wright-ins, I got that pressure too.  could lose to Donald Duck).

Stream of consciousness writing now.  I’m tired and maybe my new friend on the gay activist blog is writing me right now.   Gets me curious, I’m going to check.  Thank god nothing.  3 comments are enough from that guy.  wanted to talk about gay issues and not answer me about boycotting.  please check it out.  click on the picture of the big moose wearing a sombrero to go to my profile- is the easy way.

Here’s the idea. On my web site I add a page that says “If I Was President” and it opens to the line “instead of a no name candidate for governor hoping for a stunning 4th place finish.”  I explain that the boycott idea is not going anywhere so what have I got to lose, throw another idea out there totally unrelated to immigration (oh and I am for single payer but I don’t know enough about health care.  I do know about cars)  and maybe something sticks to the wall. 

here’s the bare bones outline

1)      electric cars are coming, like the Chevy Volt.  It’s going to be a hard sell not to mention there’s not a lot of extra generating capacity.  I think the reason they’re not going to sell well is the $40k price for one.  Less luxurious, less sophisticate electric is the way to go.  When you go that way people might resist because they have to add yet another car to the insurance and that extra car, the electric has so many limitations.

2)      The government , and we the people are in the car business now, i.e., GM., cuts the red tape, boy is there ever red tape, says build a very small electric that is not allowed on the interstate, agrees to buy a few hundred thousand of them. (economy of scale keeps price at about 10 grand, and bare, bare bones) and every US manufacturer produces the exact same car, off the same plans, except for the battery (keeps competition going on the really only critical component) and leases the cars back to us for about $100 bucks a month.

3)      Here’s key.  Since the cars can’t go on interstate and really wouldn’t substitute for the one or several other cars a family needs, the Government gives some kind of minor rebate back to insurance companies, (who really haven’t lost that much business, car can’t really take place of others) and the consumer has no out of pocket cost for insurance, the insurance is free.   So he or she is in a 10 foot (?) long car, that’s carbon free, paying a $100 a month to lease with no insurance cost.  If he where to say drive the car to maybe the train station there could be an attendant (maybe one of these surplus TSA employees tisk, tisk) that would loan the car to anyone who could get it back by say 5 PM, and that small charge goes in the lease’s pocket.  The car is so unordinary that the owner doesn’t give a crap that he’s loaning ( the after market companies could have a field day).  This could get way out with all the different ways you could go with this.  I think it’s all logical.  I can’t stop though.  No security deposits needed to lease.  You muck up the car you don’t get a second chance to lease another etc.  If the  person borrowing car doesn’t get it back in time, well there’s extras on the lot.  Its the way I’ve heard bicycles get traded back and forth in Europe, and people share cars now in US cities using a middle man.

4)      Here’s another advantage.  People on this site are not going to like.  This plan that I as the President am selling to the public, requires more electric, therefore as I’m usually wont to do I say, "compromise is in order."  We start a massive effort to build many, many nuclear power plants.

That’s where I’ll leave it tonight.  Tomorrow I’ll be so embarrassed to find no change.org e-mails, everybody is avoiding me

I hang my hat on this- I’m on the ballot, truthfully, how else could anyone propose this stuff and expect to be heard.  Try explaining that last idea in 2 minutes on talk radio or 3 paragraphs in a letter to the editor.  You'll be brushed off as a kook, although nobody will know who you are.  In that case that's an advantage.  I get a chance to  post on www.steinforgovernor.com and be heard and probably make a fool of myself and everyone will know who i am (at least a few hendred)  But maybe not.  Enough, enought alreads.  Let’s get that group of 10-20 people and go visit Beto while I’m still un-famous, before I’m infamous.  I’ll settle for even just one from this blog, one from academia, one from the government, one adventurer, one 55 year or up retired civil servant, etc. and one New York Times reporter.

It died over here and on the one story over on the gays side.  Check my comment history by clicking on my cat the "the Big Moose" a.k.a. as Jeckel.  You'll want to see if I come out of the closet over there.

Here's a first, I had a few hours to kill today and I layed down.  Haven't done that in a long time.  Could have been on the computer or calling Senators on behalf of, is it Herta.  Too fed up, so I caught up on some rest, will try making those calls tomorrow.

Gary,

I'm relatively new to change.org, but have found that most of these discussions peter out after about two weeks (some a lot sooner) and that almost everyone moves on to a similar discussion, unless you're all over the place like me. Hence this discussion has died. And, the Tim Hortons issue was resolved by Tim Hortons backing down. So, the new discussion is about the gay immigrants, where I saw you name and a variety of other discussions.

I did get your messages and your youtube of John Lennon. Thanks. But, when I think of him, it's "Imagine" that I most frequently think of.

Anyway, back to my Jr farm for more weeding before the voracious mosquitoes come out in squadrons...

Andy

Andrew,  What I don't get is that everyone in this story who has contributed should get an e-mail when there's a new response- like what we're doing now, and I asked a legitimate question about the value of boycotts.  It's a big yawn, like my campaign.

here's something relevant to you, when I went to your profile i was able to make out what your picture was.  it's incredible i recommend every one go to it, the little 1 x 1 doesn't do it justice.

here's a another john song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5kOS7zrMk

long time ago it was, by the way john was my favorite. their solo careers where not too good in my opinion, as a foursome  they were the best.  younger people wouldn't understand, you had to be there. curiously though,  i never play their music. 

keep up the good gardening work, mosquitoes not that bad a problem in S. Jersey.

Mark join the discussion over at http://immigration.change.org/blog/view/update_on_herta_llusho_call_senator_stabenow_today