Thanks for explaining an important aspect of Immigration Law that few people understand. So in essence US Citizens who marry foriegn nationals sacrifice a freedom that other Americans take for granted, the right to free association and family unity.

Its a shame our Legislators are so callous and cruel, to devise a punishment as draconian as this for a civil violation of Immigration Law. I see no useful purpose in this law. Its purely punitive actually encourages illegals to stay here because of the bar activating if they leave the country, and as far as preventing other Immigration crimes it certainly is not relevant as once the bar is over the alien can apply for legal permanent residence.

Can it be the goal of the US Government to put so much pressure on the marriage of a US Citizen as to cause the marriage to fail?

Tina--I am so very sorry to hear your tale.  There are so very many stories of similar injustice in our immigration world today.

At my workplace we have an Albanian couple.  She came to America as a young woman and got citizenship.  After she married an Albanian man he was denied residency in the US for years.  They are united at last and now have an American born daughter, but the trials and tribulations were heartbreaking for all of us who work with the pair.

Best of luck in resolving your separation.  Dedication and hard work does sometimes pay off in the end.  Until then we all need to press much harder for better and more open immigration laws in our nation.

Peace.

So true.  Marriage only gives your a preference, and puts you in the queue.  If gay marriage becomes recognized by ICIS, the queue will extend to the moon.  No one would ever be able to hope to gain residency through marriage, should that occur.

Tina, I am ever so sorry to hear about you and Andis saga. I hope a solution is found soon and that you are able to happily live together here in the US. We are all working towards immigration reform

Wire P: There are circumstances where marriage does not even create a preference. I'm in one version of this situation, Tina in another. My husband is on Temporary Protected Status. Because he entered w/o docs, his only way to gain legal entry is to go back to Central America & apply at the consulate in his home country. Because he worked over a year before getting TPS, he's under the 10-year bar like Andris. If he leaves the US without a specific, hard-to-get license, he can't come back for 10 years. He would not even be able to apply for re-entry until he'd done 10 **well-docmented** years outside the United States. And then would start the wait in line for a visa.

Until April of 2001 there was a section of the Immigration act called 245(i) that allowed people to do the wait here in the US. That had been in & out of effect for years, was due to come back in the fall of 2001, but vanished on 9/11. There are tens of thousands of families waiting for it to come back.

Like Tina, if I had a nickel for everyone who said "But your husband married a citizen ..." I'd be rich. The stereotype that the US is an open and welcoming place is very strong. It's not true any more, but perception takes a while to catch up to reality.

There was just too much fraud with the 245(i) loopholes.  We need to close the loopholes and be an honest nation once again.

Tina - I'm so sorry for your situation.  Reading more of the blogs on change.org is helping me cope with my own immigration story and I applaud your courage not just for sharing your experience, but for accepting the challenge everyday.  My fiance is in Italy and people think I'm crazy not to just move there.  They are enamored by the stereotypical "Roman Holiday."  But I know what it's like to live there - obscene unemployment rates, unstable government, mafia corruption.  Every country has its pros and cons - but as a native born American I find myself asking - what about my rights - of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  Sometimes I think the American culture has devalued family so much that they do not see the destruction these immigration laws are creating at the base of community.  Community begins with family.  Thanks to all the other commentators who posted sources for support.

precedent, I think you mean

I keep hearing these unfortunate stories.   What comes to mind with me is why aren't those illegally in our country honest with their potential partners for life right from the get-go?   I keep hearing how they found out later after the relationship has evolved.   Do they have any idea what they are putting their U.S. spouses through by not being honest in the first place?   I don't believe in love at first sight so if there was honesty in the first place the U.S. citizen could then decide whether or not they want to risk this future heartbreak.

No one knows if the person they are dating is here legally or not until the one they are involved with tells them.   I am just suggesting that they do that right up front and then the U.S. citizen can make a decision based on that before things go on too long and they do know the consequences of breaking them.   Immigration is a big issue right now.

Maybe the laws as they are written right now are not fair.  I am not passing judgement on them but they are what they are and we have to abide by them until or if they are changed.   We also have to accept personal responsibility for breaking them or being a party to it and pay the consquences.    The bleme IS on those who break them.

It is silly to make this a racist, white supremist issue when it isn't only white people who want our immigration laws respected.   As far as your remark that American males feel threatened by "handsome" foreigners,   I really had to laugh at the absurdity of that one.   They aren't all handsome for one thing and most of the males that I know of that object to illegal immigration are older, mature, married males and wouldn't even be in the same age group as those crossing our border illegally.   Thanks for the good laugh though.   I thought I had heard every excuse in the book but that one takes the cake, lol.

There's a lot to be said for the pitfalls of mixed marriages.  Pragmatic Indians, with their practice of arranged marriages have a better success rate than we romantic Americans.  Nobody got labeled a racist for marrying within his race.

There's a lot to be said for the pitfalls of mixed marriages.  Pragmatic Indians, with their practice of arranged marriages have a better success rate than we romantic Americans.  Nobody got labeled a racist for marrying within his race.

"The principle of the matter is that it is wrong to separate married people.  Period. Laws that require the separation of married people are not good laws and they need to chage." 

D. Izzy.  There was a law that all the babies were slaughter during the time of Jesus so that Jesus could be killed.  Would you gone ahead and slaughtered babies.  Get a clue man.  You're hateful and you don't do what's right and you don't understand what's right because your heart is wrong.

When you refer to most Americans are you talking out of your hat.....of your own personal multiply Internetpersonality's. You are not talking about your fellow American's. You are talking about a small hate group with a loud voice.

Your friends with  their Schizophrenia disorder is not a good source for you to get a sample from on CIR when you take a poll. Each person you poll only counts as one vote.

I seriously wonder how many of you there really is??

I cannot debate civilly. If you remember I tried to get you to debate about the issue and what was going on in the senate (and actually numbers on political positions) and all you brought to the plate was your own personal opinion. You talk about debateing civilly...and I am talking about have a debate with substance.

Mark, all you ever bring to the plate is your opinion. You never offer any "FACTS" whatsoever at all.

Mark, Get your crying towel ready...because if CIR fails in the senate (if it goes to a vote in the fall). Then the Republicans have senate seats going up and the numbers are not on their side.

Mark, I might cry in the fall...but in the long run your crying towel will be saturated because when your side loses its senate seats the reform that will pass will be far more liberal and you might look back and wished you weren't such an opposer.

Izzy, paying a ticket for going 120 miles an hour has a penalty that is far less severe than entering the country.

Honestly, I think driving 120 miles an hour on the highway is far worse then what Tinas husband did.

Let's face it...you are fully aware that you might kill someone at that speed.

If I want to CHANGE forgiving 50 million it probably isn't going to fly.

I am still waiting to have a discussion on the senate numbers. I want a real discussion on each senate seat with real "FACTS" and statistics. When is it going to happen?

E-verify doesn't fix the problem as we have seen. Employers get around it. Then they start the ring over again. Mark your ideas on immigration are going to give us a huge flood at the border all over again.

Ronald Reagan gave amnesty and the problem with that is that the entire immigration system is was not reformed. It hasn't been for 20 years either.

asically OK! lol

If our laws are working so well than I suggest you try to explain why we are having an immigration crisis, a border problem, a horrible economy, familys broken up, single parents and fatherless children.

Just a little fine tuning!

The status quo! Isn't about your opinions. It is about the real results that are going to come out of congress. Your opinions mean nothing when it comes to CIR.

Maybe you have more than a comprehension problem. I think you have a lack of knowlege.

Mark & Izzie, I know you're getting your rocks off by being antagonistic.  Need I remind you one more time that this website is NOT status quo .org it's CHANGE . org.  If you're enjoying the status quo be on your way.  Any more pro status quo comments from you and I'm deleting all your comments.

Mark, This isn't "Debate.org" get it?  It's like you're not understanding the issues at all.  Go to the debate websites if you want to argue this.  This isn't the place to argue.  Once you've decided that you want the change we're talking about here, that's when you come here. This is "CHANGE.ORG"  It's the simple. 

Marriage is God's design.  What God joins together no man should separate.  The law that says that it's okay to separate what God has joined together is a law that spits in God's face.  This law totally mocks God and has no respect for God's institution of marriage.  This law has no respect for the sacred institution of marriage.  This law is blasphemy.  It's wrong.  Now suppose you don't believe in God.  Well our founders of the country believed in the institution of marriage.  Civilized nations that don't respect marriage soon come to a giant fall.  You've seen the rise and fall of nations???  Well, one of the major contributing factors to the fall of great nations is the disrespect for the institution of marriage.  That's all it takes.  All your comments reflect pidly stuff that has no respect for the point of this article.  It's like you want the nation to be destroyed.  If you want to keep on arguing this out, go to the debate places and argue it out.  Don't do that here.  Come back here when you're ready for Change. 

Tina, I am very sorry to hear of your situation. I hope you and Andis find a way out. Albania won't be allowed into the European Union anytime soon. Have you thought of working in Canada, then Andis may be able to join you. It's still a shame that you are not allowed to be together in California, but at least you'd be together.
All the best to you and Andis. I hope your love triumph over all.

Oh my Izzy you said "current and future lawbreakers" Hmmm.. Do you have a crystal ball that tells you all 50 million immigrants will surely become "future" criminals. Because I know of a lot of these immigrants you speak so low of that the first and only law they broke was crossing a line in the sand. My hiusband has been here for 16 years and doesnt even have a traffic ticket. So if he is finally legal does that mean he will suddenly go in a crime spree. No one even know he exists in this country and he has never taken advantage of that by going and commiting crimes. And my husband is not  the minority. He probly follows the law better than the average United States Citizen.

And I do agree you are not a racist but you are not as informed of the imigration process either as you believe. And your inability to interpret it correctly is leading your opinion.

And as for the other people who said something about the being honest about the "honesty" part before marrying. Like it was mentioned before MOST people do know their spouse is illegal prior to marriage, but for my situation I guess I listened to all the wrong information put out by all the experts out their that rant on about "Illegals marry USC just to get papers" Or how about the Lovely term to discribe our Flesh and blood USC children (and they are usc defined by the laws so desired to follow to the letter) as "Anchor Babies". I only wish now that they were correct, because their idea of how easy it is to do it legal would be a dream come true. But I guess it is too hard to really look into the real requirements and scream them out at anti rallies and demostrations.

Lastly my comment to mark and izzy is that there are far more Americans that do support people who are in situations like Tina and myself and see no threat by our families to them or their families. And not to mention the tens of thousands that will side with us when they figure out that they will have to perform services themselves that they now depend on these undocumented workers to do. Or when they realize how much more they will pay for those dinners out or fruit in the market. That I would bet on!

So now...Mark, then this makes you a fan of the employer because you continue to oppose CIR.

CIR will,

1) Secure the borders.
2) Bring the undocumented out of the shadows (which takes away the underground workforce the employers use to profit from).
3) In-force labor laws.

CIR is the plan to stop the madness and crack down on the employers that cause the magnet (the flood at the border) that cost Americans jobs and lifestyle.

The only people that oppose CIR benefit from cheap labor or are paid to oppose it.

I think congress will succumb and be pressured into some form of immigration reform in the next two years but I don't think it will be the "blanket" amnesty that is hoped for by some.

My fiancee is Chinese like myself but I'm a US citizen, naturalized thanks to my parents who were US citizens.  We have known each other for 20 years, but she wasn't a US citizen.  She is a British citizen in Hong Kong with a valid visa in the US where she went to university and began working after school.  She wasn't here illegally.  In 2006, her Mom was ill, so she went back to Asia to be with her.  After some time, she had to return to the US for work, and she was detained after arriving.  She was accused of violating her visa and was detained for a week, then deported.  She had been banned for 5 years, and has served 4 of them already, and then we found each other on Face Book and fell in love.  With both of us having had terrible and hurtful past relations, finding each other was magical, and it didn't take long before we realized we were meant for each other.  But in order to be with her, I have to fly to Asia, a 14 hour flight.  I do this every two months.  You know how expensive that gets?  We live together for 3 blissful weeks, then I have to return to the US.  We are getting married at the end of this year in Hong Kong and then we are expecting to spend atleast the next 2 years apart as husband and wife while I try to bring her back.  I can relate to everyone's stories and I want to join this fight to change our laws.  My fiancee has done nothing wrong.  She is not a criminal though she was treated like one.  She reads, writes, and speaks perfect English as well as Chinese, it is so unfair that we have to be apart.  I've met with Homeland Security INS and the American consulate in Hong Kong, and I was simply amazed at the differences in attitude.  At the INS, they didn't care about my fiancees case or provide any solution other than...if she was banned, then she has to serve the time..regardless of whether it was justified or not.  The American consulate on the other hand, sympathized with us, and gave us hope by telling us that after our marriage, the ban will be considered but could be waived as well.. pending the interview which was the key factor.  Feel free to contact me if you would like my help.

"Everyone can write a story that would break the world's heart," an author said. The most dripping irony is that the 10 year bar that affects your husband was enacted by a 1996 conference (not even voted by the full congress)  after a floor amendment  by one term Congressman Randy Tate, who also served as director of Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition.  So much for family values! So much for Leviticus 17:33! Everyone muct push hard for S. 1085, the Reuniting Families Act, introduced by Ted Kennedy in June 2009. It allows for a humane and sesible waiver of the bar.

My husband was convicted in Germany of helping to sell drugs, he got caught in the middle of a sting operation and handed a package to someone not knowing what was inside.  He received probation for this crime over 5 years ago.  We got married and applied for adjustment of status, in which we told the truth about the conviction in the hopes that telling the truth and our marriage would mean something.  We also had hope that the adjucator would have compassion for our situation and be merciful.  Our application was denied and there was no information about how much time my husband had to leave the country.  I purchased a one way flight for him to depart in September so that we could spend our 1 yr anniversary together.  ICE agents (government bounty hunters) arrived at my husbands sisters house looking to take my husband away.  The agents told my husbands sister that he had some "paperwork" to finalize and that he should call.  I called the officer and faxed him the flight itinerary for september.  Two days later the officer showed up at our apartment and took my husband away in handcuffs.  He was not alowed to take any of his things, he was not allowed to call me, and I was not allowed to see him.  I had to make phone calls to several different agencies to keep track of where my husband was being taken.  There were no calls from any government offical to my number letting me, his wife, know where he was or what was going to happen to him.  He was sent to a detainment faciltiy and there he was assigned to the worst case manager officer Gunther who would not return phone calls or give any information to my husband about his case.  Finally on August 24, 2009 my husband was put on a plane back to Germany and once again no one informed me of what was happening with him.  I had to make phone calls and try to track they were taking him.  When I called the deportation office and asked what airport he was flying out of and into I was told that was information that could not be given as a matter of "national security".  My husband has received a 10 year bar (eventhough he was not in the country over 1 year), I have lost the money for the plane ticket, and another family has been broken.  It seems clear to me that it is not about the families and how they are effected, but about "numbers" of deportations and appropriations committees who give money to fund those "necessary" deportations.  In 2008 Immigration and Customs Enforcement received approximately 6.1 million dollars to fund their operation.  5 million of that was used for payroll, do the math.

Senator Jackson-Lee has introduced the Save America Comprehensive Immigration Act of 2009 H.R. 264, that seems to be a well written comprehensive approach to rewriting the laws.  It would be helpful to my situation if this bill was passed through congress.

I am amazed as I thought I was the only one who this had happened to as well. My husband is Dutch, and came to California on a Visa Waiver to visit his brother. I met him online and we dated, fell in love and got married.

I had just started my own business and he knew he needed to leave. He overstayed by about a week. He had a flight out of Canada as he was going to stop and visit a family friend then leave the following day.

He borrowed his brother's truck to drive to Canada. That day some Orange Alert happend and the borders where tightened up. Well he was stopped at the border of Canada and asked all kinds of questions. He showed them his ticket anyway it went from bad to worse. They refused him entry and sent him back into the U.S. He explained what happened to the U.S. border person and was arrested and charged with illegally entering the U.S. He was tossed into a hardcore prison.

After 3 months and a whole lot of money spent on an immigration attorney to no avail. the judge refused to allow him out while the paperwork got processed. This meant he would be forced to spend up to 2 years in this prison while the paperwork was getting filed that might allow him to stay.

He was not or never has been a criminal but certainly was treated like one. Starved in that horrible prison. Just like she said, he never saw day light, definiatley illegal the way he was treated against his basic human rights. No one cared and the attorney was worthless.

I told him this was not worth it and to allow deportation. I knew it would be a 10 year ban but to allow my husband to spend 2+ years in a hardcore prison just to be allowed to maybe, and that was big maybe to stay in the U.S.?

I could not believe this, I was ashamed of my own country. He was finally deported with a 10 year ban and I knew a marriage would not survive that kind of seperation. I was forced by my own country to sell everything I had, give up my business, my family everything and leave my own country or divorce him and remain.

How is that for treatment of a U.S. Citizen. I know we will still be forced to be seperated for well over 2 years when I return and try to begin my life all over again in order to financially quailfy to get him in again. From what I have heard they may reject him anyways.

I never knew how bad our country treated people. Ripping families apart creating ever lasting hardships both emotionally and financially is down right cruel. In my opinion it violates our basic Human Rights. I am so homesick, and I am unable to find employment in this country. But I am allowed to be with husband here where my own country would not allow it and forced me out.

The strenghth you two have to endure this tragedy is amazing. You both will be in my thoughts and prayers. I am so ashamed to be an American in a way because of how they treat people who try to be honest about an error. They are severely punished for it and the family ripped apart with no care in the world by the U.S. Authorities. It makes me sick!

Oh and by the way, they love to use any wedge issue to distract the middle class from what is really effecting them. It is the crony's of America..."The rich wall street pigs"!! That use anything to get votes. I never could understand the poor in this country and how they could justify voting Republican. Here is our country all Americans are struggling to make ends meet. Many of us trying to hang on to going from middle class to poverty yet they have a way of convinceing that 30% and "that number is getting smaller and smaller as we speak"...to vote for them. These brainwashed people believe in their god loving system of "Capitalism" and completely forget that this country was built on a Democracy that is a watchdog over "the 1% wealth that has become a dictatetorship in the country". These cronys have gotten so out of check that they have separated familys. In wilkinson PA. they actually detained and jailed US children for minor crimes the same way they detained the "undocumented".

I continue to ask myself how the 1% manage to get the least educated people in the US to support them?? I guess "least educated" answers my question. Meanwhile they are ripped out of their homes and thrown on the streets. Their life earnings exploited by band cronys and yet some of their neighbors and friends continue to vote the way they do just because the rich 1% of cronys are smart enough to convince them using "deep seeded racial thoughts" as a motivation to rule and dictate our American system.

I see a lot of contradictions here.   First off who is "they"?  It is the Democrats who have been pandering for votes, not the Republicans.   Capitalism is a U.S. idealism no matter what party you belong to.  We have no dictatorship government.  We are a democracy.  One of the many contradictions I see being spouted in here.   We have a Democrat president and a majority Democrat congress.   Where is the dictatorship and how would the Republicans be running anything right now based on that?

"Cronies" are usually defined as corrupt and greedy business people who use payola to get their way.   How do they have any control on separating families?    They aren't our government or politicians.   It is only our government through law enforcement that can do that.   Besides if the "cronies" like their cheap labor then why would they want illegals deported or separated?    More contradictions I see.

It is the Democrats that attract the least educated in this country, not the Republicans.   Are you kidding me?  No one is ripped from their homes and thrown out on the street.   What are you talking about?   If someone is arrested in their home they are sent to jail, not thrown out on the street.   I can't believe this pack of bull pucky being spewed here.

What the heck does this mean?

"cronys are smart enough to convince them using "deep seeded racial thoughts" as a motivation to rule and dictate our American system."

Who is "them" and how are they ruling and dictating anything?  "Deep seeded (that's seated, by the way) racial thoughts?  WTH?

(Where is the dictatorship and how would the Republicans be running anything right now based on that?)

The dictatorship is "the bank crony's" that have cornered our elected officials with no other alternative but to have given a bank bailout. Without the bank bailout people would have not been able to use credit cards anymore. Without those credit cards the entire market would have collapsed to the point where all corporations would have entirely collapsed leaving us with no jobs at all..."this would have led to a horrible depression of severe poverty far worse nationwide than it already is" and that would have further affected the entire world.

*The top 1% of wealth are for the most part are Republicans. It is ironic that they have convinced 30% of our population that voting Republican would benefit them. They also use "God"' family values, white entitlement to manipulate their votes. I highly doubt that top 1% even believe in "God" because they would have never done what they did in the last 8 years if they had any faith at all. They also change the meaning of what a healthy democracy/Capitalist system is. They usually ignore the Democracy part in their definition. That is the part where are elected officials are suppose to watch over the crony's to make sure the middle class doesn't tank to the impoverished class. This 30% they convinced is shrinking and for the most part. They aren't really into losing their houses and retirement funds.

*If what our country is going through now is what a Democracy is suppose to look like then I can bet your last buck that most Americans are not all that into the Republican version of a Capitalist system.

("Cronies" are usually defined as corrupt and greedy business people who use payola to get their way.   How do they have any control on separating families?    They aren't our government or politicians.)

Cronies are lobbyists and they put many of our politicians in office. Pay for play was big with the Immigrant detention system. The crony's get government contracts: Dick Cheny and friends received many kickbacks from the Bush administration. "Overseas contracts in Iraq, private immigrant detention contracts...etc., etc.,. Law enforcement and laws were passed in our DHS that gave local police quotas "287G" that were intended to arrest people for serious hard crimes but the system became abused to fill the needs of a corporate "crony" profit prison system hauling in "Immigrants base on Immigration status". That was not what the program was intended to do.

*Also the need for "cheap labor" was another crony corporate issue...and these people also lobbyed our politicians in and enjoyed the fact that they had a "undocumented" slave workforce.

( Besides if the "cronies" like their cheap labor then why would they want illegals deported or separated?    More contradictions I see)

Duh!!! The world must look really small to you!! There are many crony's. The detention crony's and the "cheap labor" crony's are different crony's. They aren't having "tea party's" together in a conspiracy. The "cheap labor" crony's care about cheap labor...and they like the fact that the "undocumented" live in the shadows in fear of deportation. They like to control a bunch of scared people.

It is the Democrats that attract the least educated in this country, not the Republicans.

Not true at all. Most of the highest educated people in this country happen to be Democrats. Look at Bush "Not the sharpest tool in the shed" but part of the 1% rich crony's. Democrats attract "minority's" and young intellects. When I think of the party with educated intelligent people I think of Democrats. When I think about Republicans I think about a 1% that manipulate poor people through using wedge issues such as Religion and anti-minority rhetoric. They try to make poor people believe their version of Capitalism gives them opportunity's. Obviously based on the shape of our country after "their version of Capitalism" the concept didn't work.

And by the way...Until your spelling and grammar is perfect than do not criticize mine. Your by all means mess up spelling and grammer all the time!!! This is a blog not a spelling bee!!! and you are not in Harvard University...for sure.

(It is the Democrats that attract the least educated in this country, not the Republicans.)

Not true at all. Most of the highest educated people in this country happen to be Democrats. Look at Bush "Not the sharpest tool in the shed" but part of the 1% rich crony's. Democrats attract "minority's" and young intellects. When I think of the party with educated intelligent people I think of Democrats. When I think about Republicans I think about a 1% that manipulate poor people through using wedge issues such as Religion and anti-minority rhetoric. They try to make poor people believe their version of Capitalism gives them opportunity's. Obviously based on the shape of our country after "their version of Capitalism" the concept didn't work.

*When I think about Democrats I think of brillant lawyers. When I think about Republicans I think about the guys who hand out at oil wells."  I'd rather hang with the attorneys!!!

And by the way...Until your spelling and grammar is perfect than do not criticize mine. Your by all means mess up spelling and grammer all the time!!! This is a blog not a spelling bee!!! and you are not in Harvard University...for sure.

Uh, it was the Democrats under Obama that gave out all that bailout money, not the Republicans.   You think it was a great idea but now we are trillions in debt and probably never recover from it. 

Republicans are mostly comprised of middle and upper class white citizens and professional minorities.   Those are not the uneducated.   The Democrats attract a lot of minorities who are usually the least educated and lower on the economic ladder.   That's a fact, Jack!  So it doesn't matter what you "think".  Republicans aren't anti-minority either.  It is just that the Democrats promise them all kinds of free stuff so they are more drawn to the Democrat party instead.

Sorry you can't accept "constructive" criticism on spelling errors.   Anytime you have corrected me it has always been snide and an attempt to belittle me.  That wasn't my intent towards you.   I don't make numerous spelling and grammatical errors anymore than you do.   But nice try at another one of your insults just because you don't like my immigration views.

You are wrong about 287g also.  Law enforcement were to report all illegals in this country to ICE as they were discovered.  This isn't about any payola to any so-called crony owned prisons either.  If so, then prove it!    It is about the immigration laws of this country.

 (This isn't about any payola to any so-called crony owned prisons either.  If so, then prove it!)

Prove it!! It has been proven again and again on this blog go back and do some reading about the profit prison system and the GEO group owned by Haliburt. Do we have to continue to talk in circles??

287g is being rejected by local enforcement nationwide. Towns and Countys and "police officers" are not into "witch hunts". It is only a few sick individuals that get their jollys out of terrifying the "undocumented" to satisfy people like you so they can count on your vote on election day.

(Republicans comprised of middle and upper class.) You really are confused aren't you. This is not true at all. Most college professors and highly educated people happen to be Democrats. Republicans are for the most part that rich 1% combined with middleclass to poor people from the southern bible belt. Most middleclass are Democrats and Independents.

(The Democrats attract a lot of minorities who are usually the least educated and lower on the economic ladder.  That's a fact, Jack!)

So your saying only the good minoritys go to the Republicans and the Democrats attrack the uneducated minoritys!! lol...This is something your are making up in your head and I suppose you think you are one of those wealthy educated republicans. Man!!! you are full of yourself and totally unaware of who you really are???

(Uh, it was the Democrats under Obama that gave out all that bailout money, not the Republicans.   You think it was a great idea but now we are trillions in debt and probably never recover from it.)

It was the only thing our President could do....otherwise the middleclass would have tanked without credit and most corporations would have tanked too...leaving us with no jobs....nothing...noda!!!! The 1% do not like that debt because they know taxes are going way up..."FOR THEM"!!! That rich 1% is going to pay it back and they know it. lol

If you are rich the joke is on you!! Save your money because your taxes are going up!! HAHA!!

This isn't about any payola to any so-called crony owned prisons either.  If so, then prove it!)

Prove it!! It has been proven again and again on this blog go back and do some reading about the profit prison system and the GEO group owned by Haliburt. Do we have to continue to talk in circles??

NO, YOU PROVE IT.  YOU ARE THE ONE WHO MADE THE ACCUSATION IN THE FIRST PLACE.  THERE IS NO PROOF ON THIS BLOG THAT IMMIGRATION DETENTIONS ARE FOR PROFIT RATHER THAN ABOUT OUR LAWS,  ONLY OPINION.   DOESN'T MATTER ANYWAY, ILLEGAL ALIENS NEED TO BE DETAINED.  IT IS THE LAW!  WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHERE THEY ARE PLACED?

287g is being rejected by local enforcement nationwide. Towns and Countys and "police officers" are not into "witch hunts". It is only a few sick individuals that get their jollys out of terrifying the "undocumented" to satisfy people like you so they can count on your vote on election day.

ANOTHER ALLEGATION THAT YOU CANNOT PROVE.  ARRESTING LAW BREAKERS IS NOT A WITCH HUNT.  SO ARRESTING ILLEGAL ALIENS TERRIFIES THEM?   AW, GEE! I AM SATIFIED WHEN THEY ARE ARRESTED BECAUSE IT IS THE LAW!  IT ISN'T REPUBLICANS THAT ARE ARRESTING THEM ANYWAY IT IS ICE.  FYI, I DIDN'T VOTE FOR BUSH.

(Republicans comprised of middle and upper class.) You really are confused aren't you. This is not true at all. Most college professors and highly educated people happen to be Democrats. Republicans are for the most part that rich 1% combined with middleclass to poor people from the southern bible belt. Most middleclass are Democrats and Independents.

NO, YOU ARE CONFUSED.  SURE THERE ARE RICH PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BUT BY YOUR OWN ADMITTANCE YOU SAID YOURSELF WHEN YOU THINK OF THE DEMOCRATS YOU THINK OF LAWYERS, ETC.   THEY ARE THE RICH!  THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE DEMOCRATS IS THAT MORE MIDDLE AND UPPER CLASS AMERICANS ARE REPUBLICANS AND MORE LOWER CLASS AMERICAN ARE DEMOCRATS.  BOTH PARTIES HAVE THEIR FAIR SHARE OF RICH MEMBERS.

(The Democrats attract a lot of minorities who are usually the least educated and lower on the economic ladder.  That's a fact, Jack!)

So your saying only the good minoritys go to the Republicans and the Democrats attrack the uneducated minoritys!! lol...This is something your are making up in your head and I suppose you think you are one of those wealthy educated republicans. Man!!! you are full of yourself and totally unaware of who you really are???

NO, I SAID THAT MANY PROFESSIONAL MINORITIES ARE REPUBLICANS.  I NEVER MENTIONED GOOD OR BAD (reading comprehension problem again?).  IF ONE IS UNEDUCATED THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE THEM BAD ANYMORE THAN IF ONE IS EDUCATED THAT MAKES THEM GOOD.  IT IS A KNOWN FACT THAT MOST LESS EDUCATED MINORITIES ARE ATTRACTED TO THE DEMOCRAT PARTY BECAUSE THEY PROMISE THEM GOODIES.   YOU KNOW THAT IS TRUE SO WHY DENY IT?   FYI, YOU CAN BE SMART A** LIKE YOU ALWAYS ARE ALL YOU WANT BUT IT IS VERY IMMATURE.  I AM NOT RICH AT ALL.  I AM A MIDDLE CLASS RETIRED AMERICAN.  I AM ALSO QUITE CONSERVATIVE AND PROUD OF IT.  LIBERALS MAKE ME SICK!

(Uh, it was the Democrats under Obama that gave out all that bailout money, not the Republicans.   You think it was a great idea but now we are trillions in debt and probably never recover from it.)

It was the only thing our President could do....otherwise the middleclass would have tanked without credit and most corporations would have tanked too...leaving us with no jobs....nothing...noda!!!! The 1% do not like that debt because they know taxes are going way up..."FOR THEM"!!! That rich 1% is going to pay it back and they know it. lol

If you are rich the joke is on you!! Save your money because your taxes are going up!! HAHA!

NO, IT WASN'T ALL OUR PRESIDENT COULD DO.  AGAIN, NO I AM NOT RICH BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION.   I LIVE SIMPLY ON MY PENSION, 401K AND SS AND THAT IS IT.  BUT DO CONTINUE DOWN THIS ROAD OF REPEATING YOUR ACCUSATIONS OVER AND OVER WITH NO PROOF OF ANYTHING.  IT IS QUITE AMUSING.   TYPICAL PRO-ILLEGAL SLANDER.

(ILLEGAL ALIENS NEED TO BE DETAINED.  IT IS THE LAW!  WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHERE THEY ARE PLACED?)

Are you for real??? That is a really gross statement and 64% of Americans aren't with you on that one. The vast majority of Americans do not agree with your ideas and GIVE IT UP!! You are losing the battle. 287G is on its way to becoming abolished...because it doesn't have too many fans.

(I LIVE SIMPLY ON MY PENSION, 401K AND SS AND THAT IS IT.)

You are exactly who I suspected you were. You are a skip and a hop away from being poor and you are obviously uneducated. You prove nothing time and time again except that you are a "racist" that is out of touch with reality. I just wanted you to expose yourself and you do time and time again. The Republican party sure does know how to suck you in knowing the key is to inspire your "nativist" ideas and using silly rhetoric to energize you. You sit there on a moderate income while the rich 1% exploit our system and use "Gods" name to motivate you to vote for them..meanwhile this rich 1% have demontrating through their sick crony ways that they have no belief in "God".

You didn't vote for BUSH. PROVE IT!! From the looks of your posts I think you would vote for "Satan" if he was a Republican!!

This conversation has now ended!! I do not wish to have a discussion with you anymore because I think you are a brainwashed and it isn't all that difficult for the Republicans to inspire you. You have a small narrow pea brain that is easily manipulated through your DEEP SEATED dark and twisted ideas of what people are based on the shade of their skin!!!!! You are the CREEPY...CREEPY....CREEPIEST!!! Worse than Freddy Kreuger!!

You sound fashionable for the Halloween season!! You do not need a costume!! Just go out as yourself....a white "wingnut" with a dark creepy mind!!!

64% of Americans don't want our immigration laws enforced?  You are really full of it, aren't you?   I am sure you are using some biased source for your information and it depends on how the questions are asked.   You and your anti-American, anti-laws pals are in for a big surprise when and if CIR ever rears its ugly head again.   You will see where real Americans stand on this issue just like you did 2 years ago.

More personal attacks from you.  How childish and immature!  No, I am not a hop and a skip away from being poor.  My home is paid for and my wife and I live very comfortably on our savings, pensions and SS.  "Obviously uneducated"?   Oh, really?   If only you knew and nothing from my posts reveals even remotely that I am uneducated.   More personals attacks from you.   So typical of the pro-illegals.

So I am a racist for wanting our immigration laws enforced and our borders secured?  LOL!   More personal attacks by a childish and immature woman.    FYI,  I don't listen to either party's rhetoric.   They are both corrup IMO.   I form my own opinions on political issues.   Being a conservative doesn't necessarily mean that I agree with everything the Republican party adheres to.  Sometimes I even agree with the Democrats.   Why would I lie about not voting for Bush?   George W. will go down in history as one of the worse presidents we ever had.   Does that sound like I voted for him?  More unfounded accusations on your part.  You do this all the time.   I tell you where I stand on things and you turn around and claim I feel or do otherwise.   You have some kind of mental block, seek help!

I have no problem with legal immigration so how am I biased against skin color?   More false accusations and hateful remarks by you.   Have you no shame at all?    Your side is going to lose and lose big.   I forward your kind of posts to those who have influence in congress so that they can see how hateful your side is and that giving amnesty to like minded illegal foreigners is going to totally divide our country and cause a civil war down the road.   Thanks, you and those like you just help our side with these kinds of posts.

It is inhumane to expect immigrants to respect our immigration laws and not reward those who violate them?  LOL!

My remarks are about illegal immigration in general.  I never made any deragatory remarks about this wife and her baby.  I never even mentioned them!   I never made it about me either.  Just expressing my opinion on illegal immigration.  You are just another hate filled pro-illegal advocate always accusing law abiding Americans of all kinds of nasty stuff that isn't true.    It disgusts me that there are citizens like you (if you are a citizen that is).  You are dividing this country by putting illegal foreigners above  this country law's. 

What does the fact that initially we were a nation of immgirants have to do with our right to have and to enforce our immigration laws TODAY?  Things have changed in the past hundred years.  We are no longer a wide open frontier with plenty of space, jobs and natural resources and there is the very real threat of terrorists and other criminals entering  through our porous borders. 

Our immigration laws are not about racism nor inhumanity either.   So how does that make Americans who support our laws,  inhumane racists?  Granted they may need fine tuning but the basics are reasonable.   Granting millions of illegals amnesty after the failed one in 1986 and the many mini ones we have had since then goes beyond "fine tuning" however.  Funny how you and yours show no humanity towards Americans who are suffering from this illegal invasion yet you take the moral highgrorund.  If humanity knows no bounds then where is your humanity for Americans?

What you call hateful posts are those that don't agree with your point of view.   You don't run this blog  so don't try to stifle my freedom of speech that you wrongfully call hate speech.  

This country was not formed on illegal immigration but legal immigration so stop pretending that it was.  I have no problem at all with legal immigration in controlled numbers because we now have over 300 million people in this country and it is in the best interests and fairness to allow in equal numbers of different ethnic groups instead of mostly just one.  You have a problem with diversity?  I don't wish to kick out any LEGAL immigrants.

Yes, our forefathers probably are rolling in their graves to note that our immigration numbers and policies have gone array through ILLEGAL immigration instead of sensible legal immigration numbers and quotas.

Nothing but lies on your side stating we have a fear of immigrants.  If that were so we wouldn't be allowing ANY in.  What a stupid remark to make.   These parents are responsible for their own actions and they by their own actions have made life difficult for their own children.   Breaking our laws has consequences even for Americans who have children.   The children suffer because of their parent's actions not because we have laws.   Put the blame where the blame belongs!

I am saddened by the recent postings.  I think the purpose of this Blog has gotten lost somewhere.  I commented because I am someone that has gone through the "immigration process" (via my husband, I was born here.)  I have seen both sides.  I have seen the side of the "fake marriage to stay in the country", with the wife who lies to the immigration officers everyday, who lies to the judge and the lawyers to try to help her husband.  I have seen the side of the green card holder (for 12 years) who is being deported because of a 500.00 fine (he received in another country for possession of a controlled substance over 20 years ago that he forgot about) who is worried how his wife and children will keep their house once he is deported.  I have seen the side of the Mexican that crossed the border, lived in the US for over 8 yrs, doesn't speak a word of English, gets deported and is back over the border within 3 days, to start the cycle all over again.   I have heard stories from other detainees who are worried how their wives and children will support themselves when the husband is gone.  My husband and I had all of the faith in the world that America was the place for second chances and a place that valued truth and justice.  I had faith in my country that there was always something you can do, there is always a way if you tell the truth.  Unfortunately for me and my husband there was no such place.  So I am stuck in a position where I have to choose between my husband or my country.  I love America, it is a great country, but I firmly believe that the existing immigration laws are not working and have been written and rewritten too many times.  We need to just throw them out and start over.  We need to make sure that marriage means something.