In the documentary it is clarified that most support for the legislation came from OUTSIDE Prince William County. FAIR admits ON CAMERA that this is what they want Republicans to do to win elections -- promote anti-immigrant legislation county by county. The fact that the legislation was propelled by imported support is not debatable.

Yes, but ironically most support against  the legislation came from OUTSIDE Prince William County, by definition from the illegal aliens themselves.  Ths is self-evident and obvious. Those people speaking a language other than English and lacking the proper visa documents to legalize their presence are from OUTSIDE the county.  

The economic repercussions in Prince William County went beyond the failing U.S. economy. As a political economist, I can testify to that without question.

And what were the economic repercussions that went beyond the failing US economy?

I believe Prena's statement. It makes common sense that the economic repercussions would go beyond the failing of the U.S. economy. Wouldn't it make sense that the repercussion would trickle?

You believe Prerna's statement, yet neither of you point to the economic repercussions you claim. Neither of you have shown/stated anything that was beyond the failing economy.

So, how do you know what to believe?

LR -  The rates of foreclosures and downfall of businesses was higher than the national average but don't let an economist tell you that. Watch the movie for evidence. Or better yet, maybe write to the businesses and home-owners in Prince Williams who complained about the repercussions. It hardly matters how you want to interpret things, given the people of Prince Williams realized their error and change the law.

A higher than national average rate of forclosures as a reason? California also falls into that category, as does many other cities, counties, and even states. The movie as evidence? What for? According to may news articles as of late about PWC, business and homes are making a strong rebound there. As for laws being changed in PWC, R Jay Peasrson and I have already had that discussion in another topic, they only changed the BOC by changing the wording of the law.

You still have yet to show any economic repercussions as per exacted due to immigrants.

If believe Prena's statements without her pointing out her posting a book of information. I trust her. However, you would have to prove her wrong.

My time is limited. I have to get up at 5am as a challenger and work the GOTV for both my brothers.

No time to question Prena's credibility with her statement. Sometimes liquiod...when you see someone knows what she is talking about 99.9% of the time you just have to go with the flow and trust her.

Have a good night folks and don't forget to work on GOTV tomorrow!!! :) Remember..Everything starts in your local community's. From the ground and up.....??

Forget that old economic theory.

Trickle down economics...It just doesn't work...lol

I'm not asking for a book to be written in response, only a simple fact that shows that immigrants were the cause of the downfall in PWC or that they played a roll in the economic repercussions as alleged. How do I have to prove her allegation wrong, when she has yet to prove her allegation as a fact. And if you do some quick research, you will note exactly what I stated, the housing market and the business is returning to PWC at a faster rate than the national average.

Sometimes liquiod...when you see someone knows what she is talking about 99.9% of the time you just have to go with the flow and trust her.

They also call that, the blind leading the blind.

The problem with PWC economically is not a direct result from the immigration issue.  Like many parts of the US, PWC exploded with growth during the late 90's thru 2005, and it happened because power-starved politicians and lobbyists favored cheap labor, while the world experienced cheap energy, cheap goods, all while there was poor planning, poor laws, little enforcement, and reckless financial lending practices.

Needless to say, its only obvious a higher national rate of foreclosures would have occurred in PWC, and it doesn't take an economist to figure out, the development of a greater ripple-affect throughout the county, engulfing not just smaller businesses, but larger ones as well, would rack employment and overturn this county. 

When the construction industry collapsed just before the recession, workers saw the labor jobs dry up.  With their wallets empty, what would migrant workers be expected to do, when not a job is to be had? 

The sad truth behind these two filmmakers are, they came into this issue with politically slanted opinions, already predisposed as to what message they would portray to their viewers.  Take for example, the empty Latino restaurants they had filmed.  These two movie producers portrayed the blame of the economic hardship, because the migrant community was scared off by red-hot racist conservatism.  The truth is, there are ethnic and white restaurants throughout the county, still empty if not out-of-business today.  These restaurants faced economic hardship, regardless if Stirrup, Stewart and Letiecq and their ideas had all dropped dead in the middle of the immigration debate, or not.

At the time, the people of PWC were already feeling the stress from the over-extension their county was enduring, created by its very own high-growth expansion policy.  Their frustration coincided with the rise of the financial turmoil and the chaos within the undocumented Latino community, which didn’t quite have the same view for the law and civil behavior, as the rest of the “more permanent” county had.  It all started with the city of Manassas inability to enforce its own housing ordinance, a fire that destroyed a house because electrical and building codes were ignored, and then a property-owner’s political statement in defiance against the historic code of the city. 

Just as construction and expansion was peaking, and as political apathy was mounting by the national media and Democrats, charging after the Bush White House, the GOP-dominated PWC BOCS was overwhelmed, trying desperately to manage the promises and pressures from the pro-development influences in the country, a rise of conservatism coming to the defense of George W Bush and all things conservative, and a growing anti-GOP movement inspired by national media and politics.  

It was all politics, not racism – just plain and simple raw politics and power.  Undocumented laborers have no right to be in this country.  They have human rights no doubt, but should they even be driving an automobile if they aren’t supposed to be here in the first place?  Of course not, and when sick, undocumented laborers and their families should be tended to at the hospital, but should they be allowed to just return back into society where the laws says that shouldn’t be, all while citizens pay the medical bills?  Just because our governments are too weak to uphold the law, does not translate to undocumented migrants earning the right to work or live illegally in this nation.

Excessive growth from the Clinton's 90's was done to top the 80s Reagan era of growth.   Bush and Co only tried to replicate the Clinton admin, and did so with reckless abandonment in the first half of this decade.  This country is brainwashed to believe such policy-making is the American-way. 

When prosperity returns and the temptation to press the gas pedal on economic growth hits are elected leaders, lets hope we have enough sense to have already instituted new regulation governing migrant workers and their families, as well as the businesses who hire them, and the consumers who purchase their products.  I pray citizens of this county and the nation, see thru the bias presentation Annabelle Park and Eric Byler have displayed in the past, which undoubtedly will again be the case with their next release. 

The problem with PWC economically is not a direct result from the immigration issue.  Like many parts of the US, PWC exploded with growth during the late 90's thru 2005, and it happened because power-starved politicians and lobbyists favored cheap labor, while the world experienced cheap energy, cheap goods, all while there was poor planning, poor laws, little enforcement, and reckless financial institutions.

Needless to say, its only obvious a higher national rate of foreclosures would have occurred in PWC, and it doesn't take an economist to figure out, the development of a greater ripple-affect throughout the county, engulfing not just smaller businesses, but larger ones as well, would rack employment and overturn this county. 

When the construction industry collapsed just before the recession, workers saw the labor jobs dry up.  With their wallets empty, what would migrant workers be expected to do, when not a job is to be had? 

The sad truth behind these two filmmakers are, they came into this issue with politically slanted opinions, already predisposed as to what message they would portray to their viewers.  Take for example, the empty Latino restaurants they had filmed.  These two movie producers portrayed the blame of the economic hardship, because the migrant community was scared off by red-hot racist conservatism.  The truth is, there are ethnic and white restaurants throughout the county, still empty if not out-of-business today.  These restaurants faced hardship, regardless if Stirrup, Stewart and Letiecq had all dropped dead in the middle of the immigration debate, or not.

At the time the people were already feeling the stress from the over-extension the county was enduring, created by its high-growth expansion policy.  Their frustration coincided with the rise of the financial turmoil and the chaos within the undocumented Latino community, which didn’t quite have the same view for the law and civil behavior, as the rest of the “more permanent” county had.  It all started with the city of Manassas inability to enforce its own housing ordinance, a fire that destroyed a house because electrical building codes were ignored which were done in order to defy the housing ordinance, and then a property-owner’s political statement in defiance against the historic code of the city. 

Just as construction and expansion was peaking, and as political apathy was mounting by the national media and Democrats, charging after the Bush White House, the GOP-dominated PWC BOCS was overwhelmed, trying desperately to manage the promises and pressures from the pro-development influences in the country, a rise of conservatism coming to the defense of George W Bush and all things conservative, and a growing anti-GOP movement inspired by national politics.  

It was all politics, not racism – just plain and simple raw politics and power.  Undocumented laborers have no right to be in this country.  They have human rights, no doubt, but should they even be driving an automobile if they aren’t supposed to be here in the first place?  Of course not, and when sick, undocumented laborers and their families should be tended to at the hospital, but should they be allowed to just return back into society where the laws says that shouldn’t be, all while citizens pay the medical bills?  Just because our governments are too weak to uphold the law, does not translate to undocumented migrants earning the right to work or live illegally in this nation.

Excessive growth from the Clinton's 90's was done to top the 80s Reagan era of growth.   Bush and Co only tried to replicate the Clinton admin, and did so with reckless abandonment in the first half of this decade.  This country is brainwashed to believe such policy-making is the American-way. 

When prosperity returns and the temptation to press the gas pedal on economic growth hits are elected leaders, lets hope we have enough sense to have already instituted new regulation governing migrant workers and their families, as well as the businesses who hire them, and the consumers who purchase their products. 

There is another aspect to the economic social upheaval which hasn't been mentioned much, but is a phenomenon that is well-known on an anecdotal level.  It has to do with minority home ownership.  What will happened is that a foreigner will buy a residence in the US (PWC for example) with the intention of making a profit.  It was easy to get the mortgage because nobody was checking anyway.  In order to make the mortgage payments the owner will rent rooms to other foreigners, mostly undocumented.  As the work for the undocumented dried up, and enforcement became tighter, the owner could no longer hang on to the property because his tenants got either deported or unemployed.

There are many flavors and varieties to this basic story.  The owner maybe Hong Kong Chinese buying a house for his son to attend college in the US; it may be a drug cartel interested in setting up a 'pot' house.  Unlike many countries, there is no prohibition or restrictions against foreign property ownership in the US.  With the push to increase minority home ownership, a foreigner sure looks like an American minority, and were treated as such.  

I have heard this scenario from real estate brokers.  If you visit a property, and the agent describes it a a multi-family dwelling, that's code for "it was inhabited by a crowd of illegals".  

So well spoken!

(Or maybe they think that if they call Illegal Aliens "immigrants" for long enough a fairy godmother will click her heels three times and ,..."it will be so.")

Thomas Porter, I need a fairy godmother to click her heels three times and remove your ignorance.

Thomas Corizine lost because the unemployment rate is at 10.5% and that is the only reason why. New Jersey votes out of their wallet. In the New Jersey Republican party Lonegan was anti-immigration and he lost by a large margin. People are not anti-immigration. However, at the moment they are focused on healthcare reform and the unemployment rate. When the economy gets better these things will change. In 4 years mayor Cory Booker will run and he will energise the NJ minority base in a big way. Everyone loves Cory Booker in NJ. I actually thought Corizine should have stepped down and it was an inside rumor that he was going to but for whatever reason he stayed in the race. Chris Christie will most likely be a one termer. Chris Christie does not focus on Immigration at all. Anyone knows to stay clear away from that issue in NJ. Local candidate Jim levowitz from Bound Brook, NJ lost the election because he ran a campaign a few years back that was anti-immigrant driven. This is the second time he lost. People aren't into the hate.

Thomas Porter, I don't think the terminology matters much to anyone anymore.

I don' think anyone in here is "anti-immigrant", but I do think that most people in this country are also not longer "anti-illegal alien" either.

You might want to get a grip on your talking points. They aren't working anymore. If you noticed the president of the US continues to shift the terms in speechs as a means of communicating to different people who identify differently on the issue. However, the language does not matter. Most people are not against the "undocumented"...."illegal aliens"...whatever you want to call people.

Thomas Porter, you really need to get a real conversation going when you talk on the issues.

Mary, you keep thinking that.